Thursday, April 3, 2014

Vatican Council II in its text is not ambigous. However the text can be interpreted irrationally.So the Council comes across as ambigous.


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From Protect the Pope blog
Scary Goat:
Firstly, if continuity is obvious, why would we need to be told to apply a “hermeneutic of continuity”? Doesn’t the very fact that we have been told this imply that there has been at least a perceived rupture?
Lionel:
I attend Mass in Italian and I also attend the Traditional Latin Mass.There is no hermeneutic of rupture for me.
Scary Goat:
Secondly, it seems quite obvious that at least in practice there has been rupture.

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Lionel:
There is no rupture for me in theory and practise.

Scary Goat:
We are told that the “spirit of VII” “misinterprets” the actual documents of VII.

Lionel:
Yes the “spirit of VII” the liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II misrepresents the actual text of Vatican Council II.

Scary Goat:
Yet does it not seem reasonable that the accusation that the documents were ambiguous is correct because if they were “fool-proof” they could not have been misinterpreted?

Lionel:

Vatican Council II in its text is not ambigous. However the text can be interpreted irrationally.So the Council comes across as ambigous.

Scary Goat:
Thirdly, bearing in mind the hermeneutic of continuity, how can Traditionalists (SSPX for example) be in any sort of doctrinal error?

Lionel:
They are.I have answered this question on the thread ‘Lionel Andrades and extra ecclesiam nulla salus’ on this blog. http://protectthepope.com/?p=10239

Scary Goat:
As they simply stick with the previous teachings, how can they be in error if nothing has changed?

Lionel:
Something has changed in the Church since the 1940′s in Boston.The SSPX sticks with this error.This was not part of the Deposit of Faith before the 1940′s.

Scary Goat:
For Traditionalists to be in error regarding the modern Church, surely that means something has changed that they are not accepting….in which case there has been rupture?

Lionel:
Yes something has changed!And accepting this irrationality has resulted in a rupture.

-Lionel Andrades
http://protectthepope.com/?p=10279
http://kneelingcatholic.blogspot.it/

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