Pope Pius XII and all the popes have opposed Feeneyism or ignored it without saying there are no explicit exceptions

From the time of Pope Pius XII all the popes have opposed Feeneyism or ignored it.They have never mentioned that being saved with the baptism of desire can be implicit only for us.It can never be explicit for us. So it was never an exception to the literal and traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
They never mentioned the use of the false premise.
 

An Example of the False Premise and the Conclusion.

Seeds of the Word (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II)

False Premise: We can see non Catholics who have received salvation in 2014 with 'seeds of the Word'.

Conclusion: Vatican Council II contradicts  extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Vatican Council II contradicts itself. AG 7 - 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation contradicts AG 11- being saved with 'seeds of the Word'.

 

Without the False Premise.

 Being saved with seeds of the Word is a possibility.

A possibility is not a known reality in a specific case in the present times, for us. A possibility is not an exception.

Seeds of the Word is not an exception.

Since it is not  visible and known in a specific case in 2014 it  is not relevant or an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Conclusion: Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

COLUMN A or COLUMN B

All salvation referred to in Vatican Council II i.e being saved with the seeds of the Word (AG 11), invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) can be interpreted with COLUMN A or COLUMN B

 

COLUMN A

Implicit or us.

hypothetical for us.

invisible.

dejure (in principle).

subjective.

  

COLUMN B

explicit for us.

known in reality.

visible in the flesh.

defacto (in fact).

objective.

 

If COLUMN B is chosen then Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition.There are known exceptions. The  dead-saved are visible. This is an irrational and common interpretation of Vatican Council II.

 

 If COLUMN A is chosen in the interpretation then Vatican Council II  does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition.The Catholic Church's teaching on other religions and Christians communities and churches is the same before and after Vatican Council II.

 

IN REAL LIFE

We cannot say any one specifically whom we meet is 'an exception' .While Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So every non Catholic whom we meet needs faith and baptism and we do not know a single exception, who will be saved without faith and baptism.
 

When we meet a non Catholic we know he is oriented to Hell unless he converts into the Church with faith and baptism.
 

We do not know who is saved in invincible ignorance or who knows about Jesus and the Church  and did not enter and so is damned (Lumen Gentium 14). This is known only to God.The Church says all need faith and baptism (AG 7).
 

 Those Catholics who say there are 'exceptions' imply, in the Nicene Creed , " I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin, water, blood and desire', instead of, 'I believe in one (known) baptism  for the forgiveness of sin (water)."All this irrationality emerges with 'explicit exceptions'.
 

Pope John XXIII initiated a traditional Vatican Council II when there are no 'explicit exceptions' used in the interpretation.

Pope Paul VI concluded  Vatican Council II which is pro-Fr.Leonard Feeney when there are no 'explicit exceptions' used in the interpretation.

Without 'explicit exceptions' Pope John Paul II 's Vatican Council II is in agreement with Dominus Iesus 20, the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846, Ecclesia di Eucarestia, Ecclesia in Asia etc. It does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors or the Catechism of Pope Pius X.

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 Those who have received salvation 'without the Sacraments' (CCC 1257-God is not limited to the Sacraments) could have died and have returned to life after death to be baptized with water, as was the experience of St. Francis Xavier. They were not sent to Hell.

Also a non Catholic in invincible ignorance could have  had a preacher sent to him by God, to be taught the faith and to be baptized with water.This was taught by St.Thomas Aquinas.

So all who are in Heaven are there with  Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.The ordinary means of salvation is faith and baptism. It is not being saved in invincible ignorance, seeds of the Word etc.

 

However either way, with the baptism of water or 'without the Sacrament', these cases are not exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr.Leonard Feeney.They are known only to God.

 

CCC 1257 does not contradict itself  when it says the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water.

 

CCC 1257 also does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since these cases are not explict.

Feeneyism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church and there are no exceptions to Feeneyism.Feeneyism is an affirmation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,whose text does not mention any exceptions.

-Lionel Andrades