Wednesday, April 23, 2014

If Lancaster Diocese did not use this irrationality Bishop Michael Campbell would have to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus in accord with the Catechism (1993) and Vatican Council II

Bp Campbell at work
I have received an e-mail from an official of the Diocese of Lancaster. He states:-
 
Dear Lionel,
Thank you for your fascinating article.(1) I have picked out these three points:
1 If they did not use this irrationality, then Bishop Michael Campbell would be affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as being in accord with the Catechism (1993) and Vatican Council II.

2 Since the bishop and the diocese use this irrationality, on the diocese website it is not stated that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

3 In no document of Pope Pius XII is it stated that there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Yet this error is implied in the Diocese of Lancaster.
Can you clarify what it is that Bp Michael/Dioc of Lancaster affirms and explain the substance of the error.
 
My Response:
 

1 If they did not use this irrationality, then Bishop Michael Campbell would be affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as being in accord with the Catechism (1993) and Vatican Council II.
Lionel:
 True, if they did not use the irrationality of being able to see the dead-saved the bishop would have to interpret extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney , the saints and the Church Councils.
2 Since the bishop and the diocese use this irrationality, on the diocese website it is not stated that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
Lionel:
Since Bishop Campbell infers there is salvation outside the Church the website does not state there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and all need to enter the Church with no exceptions in 2014.
The Bishop cannot name any one in England who is saved this year outside the visible limits of the Church. He does not know any one who is going to be saved in future without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7).
3 In no document of Pope Pius XII is it stated that there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Yet this error is implied in the Diocese of Lancaster.
I don’t fully understand the second sentence, the comma may be misplaced. Overall I take it you are saying that Bishop Michael infers that there is salvation outside the church (great news for non-catholics) but I am not sure whether your article is claiming that such a view is an error.
Can you clarify what it is that Bp Michael/Dioc of Lancaster affirms and explain the substance of the error.
 
Lionel:
 Bishop Campbell is denying that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and is infering that there are known exceptions in the present times.
He is rejecting Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) and affirms all do not need faith and baptism for salvation. Since for him hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) are de facto, known in reality.
The basic error is assuming that what is hypothetical, subjective and accepted in principle and faith only, is really defacto, known in reality, objectively seen and explicit for us.This is fantasy. Upon this fantasy he has built a new theology and new ecclesiology which rejects the traditional Catholic teaching on other religions and salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
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Bishop Michael Campbell and the Lancaster diocese interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church with an irrationality http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/bishop-michael-campbell-and-lancaster.html#links
 
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http://www.lancasterdiocese.org.uk/Groups/154848/The_Diocese_of/People_and_Places/Religious_Communities/Religious_Communities.aspx

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