Monday, March 31, 2014

THERE IS TO BE NO DISCUSSION ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ON THE PROTECT THE POPE BLOG

All my replies to comments on the article  'Lionel Andrades and Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus' (approved as an article by Deacon Nick Donnelly ) and   posted on  Protect the Pope, some 15 of them,  have been removed. There is to be no discussion on this subject.
Stations of the Cross with Pope Francis
The regular propaganda on the Catholic diocese websites in England will continue to maintain that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 27Q) and Tradition in general. Since LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to possibilities of salvation and possibilities are known exceptions, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
So since there are allegedly visible in the flesh exceptions in 2014 to Tradition it cannot be said on an English blog that all Protestansts in England are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II, unless they convert into the Catholic Church with Catholic faith (AG 7).
 
It cannot be said that all Protestants need Catholic Faith which includes the sacraments and the moral and faith teachings, according to Vatican Council II (AG 7) to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
 
Instead it has to be said that there are known exceptions to Tradition, persons whom you can meet in the diocese of England, Lancaster, for example, who are saved or going to be saved in invincible ignorance etc.This is known to God and also to human beings in Lancaster and the rest of England.
 
It also means all young vocations to the religious life in England must accept that the dead who are saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire etc are physically visible exeptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
 
They have to accept that because of these known exceptions all Orthodox Christians no more have to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and are no more schismatics.
 
It is common sense that in general human beings cannot see the dead. To imply or claim that one can see them is a lie. It would be a lie in Lent for a Catholic to suggest that we can see the dead-saved, who have become on earth exceptions to the  literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, according to Fr.Leonard  Feeney.
 
Also it would be a lie to claim that Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for denying that the baptism of desire is a known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since in England there are visible exceptions known to all.
 
Even a non Catholic would have the integrity to say that the dead-saved are not visible on earth, we cannot meet them, we cannot shake their hands, we cannot know them by name. So they cannot be considered known exceptions to the literal and traditional teaching of the Catholic Church , which says all need to convert into the Church to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell.



This is the teaching of Vatican Council II(AG 7), the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846-all need to enter the Church as through a door),the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Catechism of Pope Pius X (27Q) etc.This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church according to magisterial documents interpreted rationally and it cannot be proclaimed or discussed in England.
-Lionel Andrades


 

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