The baptism of water is needed for salvation along with Catholic Faith. Every adult who is in Heaven is there with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.

 

MHFM: The notion that an unbaptized catechumen can be saved without water baptism is definitely false.Why? Because Jesus Christ taught that no one is saved without water baptism (John 3:5).The Catholic Church has solemnly defined that truth as a dogma.In addition, one cannot be inside the Catholic Church without water baptism, and there is absolutely no salvation outside the Catholic Church.We have a salvation book, numerous videos and articles that cover these issues in detail.That’s why you should not be receiving instruction from heretical ‘traditionalist’ priests.You should pray the full Rosary each day, look at the material on our website, and follow these steps to convert:

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/E-Exchanges.php

 

Lionel:

The baptism of water is needed for salvation along with Catholic Faith. Every adult who is in Heaven is there with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.

So if a person dies with the baptism of desire, God would have sent a preacher to him to instruct him in the Faith as St. Thomas Aquians taught and then to baptise him. Or the person after dieing could be sent back to earth to be baptized with water as St.Francis Xavier and the saints experienced.So there is no one in Heaven without the baptism of water.

The baptism of desire/implicit baptism is not a dogma of the Church and we do not know any such case. So it is not relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a possibility known only to God but it is not an exception to the dogma.The Church Councils knew about it but did not include it in the text of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, as an exception.

So if there is someone who dies this year without the baptism of water as it is often believed possible, we would not know who this person is. We would not know if he died and returned to earth to receive the baptism of water, we would not know if his genuine desire and charity was followed with the baptism of water.This will always be a hypothetical case.

We do know that Catholic Faith which includes the baptism of water is needed for salvation for all adults.

 

The Most Holy Family Monastery(MHFM), sedevacantists assume that the baptism of desire is visible for us in 2014 and so could be a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is the same error made by the liberals and traditionalists, whom Peter and Michael Dimond criticize.

-Lionel Andrades