Monday, March 3, 2014

Fr.Angelo Geiger will not say that he finds nothing wrong with my interpretation of Vatican Council II. Neither will he say he approves of it and the SSPX and the F.I could use it

Fr.Angelo Geiger was critical of the founder of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the Traditional Latin Mass was made an issue.On his blog he is critical of Michael Vorris, Patrick Archbald and the SSPX.
He comments on Michael Voris' programs and Patrick Archbald's articles but will not reply when I ask him if he has objections to the way I accept Vatican Council II.
Voris and Archbald who have his attention could observe that a Catholic lay man has asked the priest , Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I if the SSPX and the F.I could accept Vatican Council II as he does and is reported on the blog Euharist and Mission.Here is a copy of the post.
 
I accept Vatican Council II.
However I accept that salvation mentioned, referred to or alluded to in Vatican Council II is invisible for me and visible only for God. Since it is invisible for me in 2014 there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There is nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Do you also believe that all salvation referred to in Vatican Council II is invisible for us on earth ?
So being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) is irrelevant to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the saints Robert Bellarmine, Francis of Assisi and St.Anthony Marie Claret ?
I am not denying Vatican Council II. I am only denying that being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc, can be visible in the flesh for all of us. I am accepting invisible for us LG 16 as a possibility. I am denying explicit for us LG 16.
I am affirming the baptism of desire in faith. I am denying that it is defacto and visible to us human beings.
This would mean all Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and others need 'faith and baptism' (Ad Gentes 7) to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II ?

This is the traditional teaching that Dignatis Humanae(DH),Vatican Council II asks us Catholics to proclaim.DH mentions that we have the religious liberty, in a state with a secular Constitution, to proclaim traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
So what about the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) ? Would it be sufficient for you if they affirm Vatican Council II just like me?
And what about Fr.Stefano Mannelli F.I and other members of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, could they also accept Vatican Council II just like me?
 
 
Fr.Angelo Geiger will not say that he finds nothing wrong with my interpretation of Vatican Council II. Neither will he say he approves of it and the SSPX and the F.I could use this interpretation of Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 

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