The Apostolic Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate (F.I) who approves of Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I, has asked the members of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate to accept Vatican Council II.
Could the Franciscans of the Immaculate accept Vatican Council II as I, Lionel do ? So far there has been no criticism from Fr.Geiger.However neither has there been approval or comment on this important subject.
Here is the original blog post which I sent him.
I accept Vatican Council II.
This is the traditional teaching that Dignatis Humanae(DH),Vatican Council II asks us Catholics to proclaim.DH mentions that we have the religious liberty, in a state with a secular Constitution, to proclaim traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
However I accept that salvation mentioned, referred to or alluded to in Vatican Council II is invisible for me and visible only for God. Since it is invisible for me in 2014 there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There is nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.Do you also believe that all salvation referred to in Vatican Council II is invisible for us on earth ?
So being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) is irrelevant to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the saints Robert Bellarmine, Francis of Assisi and St.Anthony Marie Claret ?
I am not denying Vatican Council II. I am only denying that being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc, can be visible in the flesh for all of us. I am accepting invisible for us LG 16 as a possibility. I am denying explicit for us LG 16.
I am affirming the baptism of desire in faith. I am denying that it is defacto and visible to us human beings.
This would mean all Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and others need 'faith and baptism' (Ad Gentes 7) to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II ?
This is the traditional teaching that Dignatis Humanae(DH),Vatican Council II asks us Catholics to proclaim.DH mentions that we have the religious liberty, in a state with a secular Constitution, to proclaim traditional teachings of the Catholic Church.
So what about the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) ? Would it be sufficient for you if they affirm Vatican Council II just like me?
And what about Fr.Stefano Mannelli F.I and other members of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, could they also accept Vatican Council II just like me?
Can the Franciscans of the Immaculate accept that all salvation mentioned, referred to or alluded to in Vatican Council II is invisible for them and visible only for God. Since it is invisible for them in 2014 there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There is nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church ?
They would not be denying Vatican Council II. They would only be denying that being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc can be visible in the flesh for all of us. They would be accepting invisible for us LG 16 as a possibility. They would be denying explicit for us LG 16.
-Lionel Andrades
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