Gaudium et Specs 22 : Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way.
It is possible that a person with good will, will be saved in an unseen way.This would be known only to God.This case would be invisible for us.
This case is not visible for us. So it would not be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So when it assumed on the Catholic Answer Magazine above quoted that this is an exception to the traditional teaching which says all non Catholics are going to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church it means the invisible is being considered to be visible. This is the Cushing- Jesuit Factual Error.
It is a fact that we do not know any such case who is an exception. Neither does the passage above claim that it is a known exception. Yet dissenters will imply that this refers to an explicit case.
we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.-Gaudium et Specs 22.
Yes as a possibility but no as a defacto, reality.
Yes hypothetically but not in fact, not in reality, not personally known.The Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error confuses the distinction between a possibility with being known in reality.
When this distinction is not made Vatican Council comes across as 'ambiguous'.
we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.-Gaudium et Specs 22.
Yes as a possibility but no as a defacto, reality.
Yes hypothetically but not in fact, not in reality, not personally known.The Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error confuses the distinction between a possibility with being known in reality.
When this distinction is not made Vatican Council comes across as 'ambiguous'.
Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II :
This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. In this way and by this means, the plan of God is fulfilled - that plan to which Christ conformed with loving obedience for the glory of the Father who sent Him,(18) that the whole human race might form one people of God and be built up into one temple of the Holy Spirit which, being the expression of brotherly harmony, corresponds with the inmost wishes of all men. And so at last, there will be realized the plan of our Creator who formed man to His own image and likeness, when all who share one human nature, regenerated in Christ through the Holy Spirit and beholding the glory of God, will be able to say with one accord: "Our Father."-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Ad Gentes 7: Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.
By means of this activity, the Mystical Body of Christ unceasingly gathers and directs its forces toward its own growth (cf. Eph. 4:11-16). The members of the Church are impelled to carry on such missionary activity by reason of the love with which they love God and by which they desire to share with all men the spiritual goods of both its life and the life to come.
Finally, by means of this missionary activity, God is fully glorified, provided that men fully and consciously accept His work of salvation, which He has accomplished in Christ. In this way and by this means, the plan of God is fulfilled - that plan to which Christ conformed with loving obedience for the glory of the Father who sent Him,(18) that the whole human race might form one people of God and be built up into one temple of the Holy Spirit which, being the expression of brotherly harmony, corresponds with the inmost wishes of all men. And so at last, there will be realized the plan of our Creator who formed man to His own image and likeness, when all who share one human nature, regenerated in Christ through the Holy Spirit and beholding the glory of God, will be able to say with one accord: "Our Father."-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Ad Gentes 7: Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
'made known by the Church's preaching'
Every one needs to enter the Church with 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) and if there is any one saved in invincible ignorance it would be known only to God.
We do not know who is saved in invincible ignorance or who was condemned because he knew about Jesus and the Church through the Church's preaching and did not enter or persevere.
So why was this mentioned? Being 'made known by the Church's preaching' is known only to God.
With the Richard Cushing Factual Error it is assumed that these cases are explicit and known to us in the present times. So there is a new doctrine formed. It is every one does not have to enter the Church as before but only those who know about the Church as it was made known by the Church's preaching.
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."-AG 7
who though aware ?
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."-AG 7
who though aware ?
This is known only to God, so why mention it? Every one needs to enter the Church with 'faith and baptism' as it is stated in AG 7. If a person is in invincible ignorance or was 'aware', would be known only to God. The ordinary means of salvation is 'faith and baptism' (AG 7). If some one is saved with the baptism of desire it would not be known to us.So it is not an exception to all needing to enter the Catholic Church in 2014 for salvation.
With the Cushing-Jesuit Facual Error it is said that only those persons need to enter the Catholic Church who are aware of the Church.
'Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)'
We do not know a single case saved inculpably ignorant of the Gospel so why mention it ? How is it relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? How does it change the traditional teaching on other religions ? It is possible that a non Catholic could be saved in invincible ignorance but this person would not be known to us and so it is not an exception to the traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
'Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)'
We do not know a single case saved inculpably ignorant of the Gospel so why mention it ? How is it relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? How does it change the traditional teaching on other religions ? It is possible that a non Catholic could be saved in invincible ignorance but this person would not be known to us and so it is not an exception to the traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Being saved in invincible ignorance is considered visible and known to us in personal cases. This is the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error.
'provided that men fully and consciously'
Do we know who is saved by fully and consciously accepting Jesus' work of salvation. Is it relevant to Ad Gentes 7 which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation?
Yes we accept this in faith but it refers to something implicit and invisible for us. When it is implied that it is explicit, visible and personally known in particular cases it is the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error.
Unitatis Redintigratio 3 : Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect.
If there is a non Catholic saved in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church it would not be known to us in 2014. With the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error it is assumed that these cases are explicit for us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to St.Robert Bellarmine and the saints.
Lumen Gentium 8: Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.-LG 8,Vatican Council II
'although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure'.-LG 8
If a non Catholic is saved with elements of sanctification and of truth outside the visible structure of the Catholic Church it would not be known to us on earth. So it would not be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. With the Cushing- Jesuit Factual Error it is assumed that these cases are explicit for us.
Ad Gentes 11- seeds of the Word : Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
'let them gladly and reverently lay bare the seeds of the Word which lie hidden among their fellows'-AG 11
It is often implied that there could be non Catholics saved with 'the seeds of the Word' and so they do not have to convert into the Catholic Church. Since these cases are allegedly known to us they are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is the use of the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error.
Nostra Aetate 2 : Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.-NA 2, Vatican Council II
'often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men'
Yes there are good and holy things in other religions and if a non Catholic is saved in these religions it would be invisible for us. If a non Catholic is saved with a 'ray of that Truth' it would not be known to us. To assume that these cases are explicit for us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is to make the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error. It is a fact that we cannot see the dead saved . Objectively we cannot know these cases. To imply that one can objectively see the deceased is irrational. It is using a false premise to create a new doctrine and an irrational theology in the Catholic Church.
Lionel Andrades
Unitatis Redintigratio 3 : Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect.
If there is a non Catholic saved in imperfect communion with the Catholic Church it would not be known to us in 2014. With the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error it is assumed that these cases are explicit for us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to St.Robert Bellarmine and the saints.
Lumen Gentium 8: Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity.-LG 8,Vatican Council II
'although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure'.-LG 8
If a non Catholic is saved with elements of sanctification and of truth outside the visible structure of the Catholic Church it would not be known to us on earth. So it would not be an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. With the Cushing- Jesuit Factual Error it is assumed that these cases are explicit for us.
Ad Gentes 11- seeds of the Word : Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
'let them gladly and reverently lay bare the seeds of the Word which lie hidden among their fellows'-AG 11
It is often implied that there could be non Catholics saved with 'the seeds of the Word' and so they do not have to convert into the Catholic Church. Since these cases are allegedly known to us they are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is the use of the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error.
Nostra Aetate 2 : Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.-NA 2, Vatican Council II
'often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men'
Yes there are good and holy things in other religions and if a non Catholic is saved in these religions it would be invisible for us. If a non Catholic is saved with a 'ray of that Truth' it would not be known to us. To assume that these cases are explicit for us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is to make the Cushing-Jesuit Factual Error. It is a fact that we cannot see the dead saved . Objectively we cannot know these cases. To imply that one can objectively see the deceased is irrational. It is using a false premise to create a new doctrine and an irrational theology in the Catholic Church.
Lionel Andrades
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Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigionihttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
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Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigionihttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
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