Friday, February 28, 2014

If this is what Vatican Council II says then should not the NCR be honest and mention it. It would mean Vatican Council II does not contradict the SSPX's traditional position on other religions and ecumenism.

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David Madeley said...
The headline in the Mail says TEACHER SAYS MUSLIM STUDENTS WILL GO TO HELL.(1)

Lionel:
Does he say that the Catholic Church teaches that Muslims are all going to Heaven or some will go or the Church does not say anything on this issue after Vatican Council ?

I think he could say that the Catholic Church teaches before and after Vatican Council II that all Muslims need 'faith and baptism' (AG 7) to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
They are oriented to Hell unless they convert into the Church.

They are ALL oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846,845) since :

1.Vatican Council II does not mention any known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and neither to AG 7 which supports the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

2.We do not personally know any exceptions in 2014 to 'all' needing 'faith and baptism for salvation'(AG 7).

3.Being saved in imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in other religions (NA 2) are not known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus or AG 7.

4.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Fr.Leonard Feeney.

5.Whether Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct or wrong we do not know any one saved with 'elements of sanctification and grace' (LG 8), 'those who are saved by Jesus and the Church' (CCC 846) etc among Muslims and among people in other religions or with no religion.

So if the Church does teach this shouldn't the teacher be honest and say that this is what the Catholic church teaches.

If this is what Vatican Council II says then should not the NCR be honest and mention it. It would mean Vatican Council II does not contradict the SSPX's traditional position on other religions and ecumenism.

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David Madeley said...
Catholic Mission. Let's say you have a teacher in a Catholic school, accepting a small quota of Muslim students, and I tell the students that the Church teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church. The parents of a muslim child complain and threaten to sue the school under the religious provisions of the Equality Act. The headline in the Mail says TEACHER SAYS MUSLIM STUDENTS WILL GO TO HELL. I think the school, and the local Church leaders, will throw him to the wolves - and on a human level you can't entirely blame them. The Vatican's guidance over the last 50 years has not been clear enough on how to deal with that situation, leaving room for human weakness to read the texts in a convenient way. Very clever people might be able to read the documents and understand the words in a surprising way, but that's not good enough. Let's see some anathema. Everyone needs to know where they stand. The FFI, the LCWR, everyone.

 

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