Saturday, January 19, 2013

Oxymoronic nature of religious liberty- Brother Andre Marie , Prior, St.Benedict Center

Religious Liberty’ and Conflicting Rights Claims


by Brother André Marie January 10, 2013
Roberto de Mattei, the author of the piece, expresses what is no doubt a controversial, if very true, thesis: “For this reason we say that man has the right to profess, not any religion, but to profess the only true one. Only if religious liberty is intended as Christian liberty, will it be possible to speak of the right to it.”


As our American pluralism becomes increasingly more diverse (a friend jokes that we all now share “Islamo-Buddheo-Judeo-Christian values”), to embrace not only diverse cultures and religions, but also diverse “sexualities,” the oxymoronic nature of religious liberty becomes more apparent.

Let me explain: The Koran allows Muslim men to marry up to four wives. Mormons of an older “tradition” also practice polygamy. Episcopalians now allow same-sex “marriage” in their iconic Washington National Cathedral. Yet the Catholic Church denies that such rights exist, and, in fact, says that they fly in the face of man’s duty to obey God’s law; and, yes, God Himself has a right to be obeyed in the matter. Some devil worshipers assert a religious right to practice animal sacrifice. Yet PETA activists would assert that such rights contradict the rights of the animals themselves. Even putatively “conservative” Catholic politicians speak of the right to contraception, while their more putatively liberal counterparts assert a “right” to abortion. To the Catholic, these alleged rights contradict the rights both of God and of the babies being murdered.

This is but a scratching of the surface. A virtual infinity of details can be included in the argument. For instance, with the UN constantly inventing new fundamental human rights, like the right to Internet access (high-speed Internet access is a right in Finland), those whose religious practice rules out such things, like the Amish, will see their rights collide with contrary rights.

At one time, when Catholics, Jews, and Protestants were in general agreement about the natural law — at least in more obvious cases — it seemed that a genuine “Judeo-Christian” pluralism would be possible in America, theoretically, at least. But, as the Protest Revolt continues (it having no real principle of unity or doctrinal stability), and religious bodies themselves embrace increasingly bizarre anthropological errors, the facade comes crashing down and pluralism devolves into warring rights claims. Those claims will be arbitrated by the massive bureaucracy of the Nanny State, itself an interested party that is fully armed with ideologically charged legal positivism.

In this mess, the traditional doctrine looks more and more sane: error and evil have no rights. Better said, man has no right to believe a lie or commit a sin.

Whether the state should outlaw all sin is, of course, another question, the answer to which is no, and tolerance in the interest of the common good was always part of Catholic social teaching. (Within due limits, one tolerates what is evil, not what is another man’s right.)

When the Church seeks only her “equal rights” with others, she fights a losing battle. It would be better for her to evangelize and thus charitably neutralize the competing rights claims of the opposition.-from Catholicism.org

The Baptism of Desire is a possibility and not an exception


It is always a possibility and never an exception.It is accepted always in principle and can never be known defacto; in real life.

So it could never have been an exception to Fr.leonard Feeney's literal interpretation of the dogma on outside the church there is no salvation.


The Church accepts the baptism of desire but never says it is explicit.No Church document makes this claim.


Only the International Theological Commission(ITC) makes this claim.The ITC documents are non binding. They are not magisterial documents.The ITC makes the error of assuming that the implicit-to-us salvation is visible and so an exception to Fr.Leonard Feeney.It cites present day theologians, who make the same factual error.The ITC claims that the Magisterium has 'a more nuanced' understanding of this issue today yet the ITC is not able to quote  any Magisterial text which supports their claim.


Neither does Pope Pius XII nor the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston state that these cases of always- implicit-to-us salvation are explicit for us.Neither is it said that these cases are explicit exceptions to Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center's literal understanding of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.If the Letter did make this claim it would be an objective mistake.Since we cannot see the dead saved who are exceptions to the dogma. The dead are not visible physically.There is no dead man walking saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.These are errors in the collected papers of the ITC book Documenti.It was approved by the last Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.It was also approved by Pope Benedict XVI.
The misunderstanding arose because they did not realize that the baptism of desire can only be a possibility and not an exception.It's an exception to nothing.As John Martigioni says, zero cases of something are not exceptions.

Every religious community in the Catholic Church can hold the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with accepted in principle only baptism of desire.It cannot be accepted as a known reality since we do not know any case.If something does not exist it cannot be an exception.-Lionel Andrades