Saturday, September 14, 2013

Rationality- the road less travelled.

When Pope Francis meets a non Catholic at the Vatican he can respect him but for the pope is that non Catholic saved, being saved or on the way to Hell?

Pope Francis is expected to take the irrational way, a teaching that is not part of the Catholic faith but influenced by Cushingism, which was part of his religious formation.There is another path which is rational, but was judged by his religious formators as being wrong, though traditional. We call it Feenyism.It says there are no visible exceptions to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church on faith and morals. 

With Cushingism of course the pope will say 'who am I to judge ?' but he has judged that this person,before him, is not going to Hell.He has judged that there are known exceptions in 2013 to the Catholic Church's teachings on faith and morals. He filters Church doctrine and dogma through Cushingism which claims there are known exceptions, visible to us on earth.

We don't condemn. But of course we judge.We judge fornication,murder, atheism as being mortal sin.The Church tells us they are mortal sins. The Holy Spirit has judged.The Bible has judged.

The Church guided by the Holy Spirit tells us that the non Catholic whom Pope Francis meets is on the way to the fires of Hell.Vatican Council II says the same.The pope cannot personally judge that this Hindu, Buddhist or Jew is an exception to Church doctrine; to the teachings of the Holy Spirit and the Bible.He would not know. Cushingism  though claims we can know, we can judge exceptions.

Cushingism is irrational. It says there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, even when we don't know any such exception.

Can we judge who does not have a mortal sin on his soul or who will not have a mortal sin in future before he dies? The non Catholic whom Pope Francis meets, is on the way to the fires of Hell. I say this since the Catholic Church can judge.I judge based on the teachings of the Catholic Church. Magisterial texts teach this even though the head of the Magisterium, Pope Francis,may not say it, for whatever reason.

Can we judge that atheism is a mortal sin ' Yes. Since the Church says so.The atheist does not have Catholic Faith needed for salvation.

Can we judge that the homosexual is in mortal sin? Yes. Since the act and relationship is sinful.

Can we judge that suicide is sinful and the suicide victim should not be given a funeral? Yes since the Church says suicide is a mortal sin.lf there is an exception we would not know. In general suicide is a mortal sin. This is the norm for funerals.

An unmarried woman and man living together is a mortal sin?.Yes. We can judge. Concubinage in general is a mortal sin. It is a scandal.If there is an exception it would be known only to God. We cannot judge any exception.

Can we judge that immodesty in clothes is a mortal sin and that the immodestly dressed person should not be given the Eucharist at Holy Mass?  Yes. Immodesty has always been a mortal sin and this is one sin we can see before us and judge.In general immodesty is a mortal sin and if there is an exception it would be unknown to us, we could not judge subjectively.For us there are no exceptions. 

Jesus told the accusers of the woman in adultery, who was about to be stoned to death, not to judge. He meant do not  judge and condemn.Jesus judged that woman, when he said 'go and sin no more'.

The secularists, leftists, Communists and Masons judge that immodesty is not a sin. They judge homosexuality and abortion are not sins.They judge there is no sin.They judge there is no Hell.They judge and say that we cannot judge.
We Catholics judge that Hindus, Muslims,Jews, Communists and Masons are going to Hell but we don't condemn them.Condemnation is left for God.
Lionel Andrades


At the end of your first article, you also ask me what to say to our Jewish brothers about the promise God made to them: Has this been forgotten? And this - believe me - is a question that radically involves us as Christians because, with the help of God, starting from the Second Vatican Council, we have discovered that the Jewish people are still, for us, the holy root from which Jesus originated. I too, in the friendship I have cultivated in all of these long years with our Jewish brothers, in Argentina, many times while praying have asked God, especially when I remember the terrible experience of the Shoah. What I can say, with the Apostle Paul, is that God has never stopped believing in the alliance made with Israel and that, through the terribile trials of these past centuries, the Jews have kept their faith in God. And for this, we will never be grateful enough to them, as the Church, but also as humanity at large. Persevering in their faith in God and in the alliance, they remind everyone, even us as Christians that we are always awaiting, the return of the Lord and that therefore we must remain open to Him and never take refuge in what we have already achieved.
As for the three questions you asked me in the article of August 7th. It would seem to me that in the first two, what you are most interested in is understanding the Church's attitude towards those who do not share faith in Jesus. First of all, you ask if the God of the Christians forgives those who do not believe and do not seek faith. Given that - and this is fundamental - God's mercy has no limits if he who asks for mercy does so in contrition and with a sincere heart, the issue for those who do not believe in God is in obeying their own conscience. In fact, listening and obeying it, means deciding about what is perceived to be good or to be evil. The goodness or the wickedness of our behavior depends on this decision.
-Pope Francis, from Letter to Dr.Scalfari,La Repubblica.

3 comments:

George Brenner said...



"(Condemned Error Nr) 15.

Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. (Allocution Maxima quidem, June 9, 1862; Damnatio [i.e.,a document of Condemnation], Multiplices inter, June 10, 1851)

(Condemned Error Nr) 16.

Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. (Encyclical Qui pluribus, November 9, 1846)

Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Condemned Errors"

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Of course we all make judgements based on the information we have coupled with the mandate to tell the truth to all that There is no Salvation outside the Catholic Church , with no exceptions that we can offer, condone or that are known to us.

The big J for eternal Judgement belongs to God as we profess in the Apostles Creed: ' ....from whence he shall come to JUDGE the living and the dead' Eternal jugement for one's soul belongs to God alone.

Pope Francis is making Catholicity very difficult to understand and make sense out of in continuity with the past 2000 years of Church teaching. It is more than Cushingism, it is promoted and taught without correction and clarity from the top down....and thus the crisis of Faith.

JMJ,

George

George Brenner said...


For he who has wisdom the following says it all especially the last sentence. It would be prudent for everyone from Popes to paupers to live and obey the following:

" Text of the Pope's Words on the Possibility of Salvation for Unbelievers



'Not without sorrow have we learned that another error, no less destructive, has taken possession of some parts of the Catholic world, and has taken up its abode in the souls of many Catholics who think that one should have good hope of the eternal salvation of all those who have never lived in the true Church of Christ. Therefore, they are wont to ask very often what will be the lot and condition after death of those who have not submitted in any way to the Catholic faith, and, by bringing forward most vain reasons, they make a response favorable to their false opinion. Far be it from Us, Venerable Bretheren, to presume on the limits of the divine mercy which is infinite; far from Us, to wish to scrutinize the hidden counsel and "judgments of God" which are "a great deep" [Psalms 36:6] and cannot be penetrated by human thought. But, as Our Apostolic duty, we wish your episcopal solicitude and vigilance to be aroused, so that you will strive as much as you can to drive from the mind of men that impious and equally fatal opinion, namely, that the way of eternal salvation can be found in any religion whatsoever. May you demonstrate with that skill and learning in which you excel, to the people entrusted to your care that the dogmas of the Catholic faith are in no wise opposed to divine mercy and justice.

'For, it must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood; but, on the other hand, it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance is invincible, are not stained by any guilt in this matter in the eyes of God. Now, in truth, who would arrogate so much to himself as to mark the limits of such an ignorance, because of the nature and variety of peoples, regions, innate dispositions, and of so many other things? For, in truth, when released from these corporeal chains "we shall see God as He is" [1 John 3:2], we shall understand perfectly by how close and beautiful a bond divine mercy and justice are united; but, as long as we are on earth, weighed down by this mortal mass which blunts the soul, let us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is "one God, one faith, one baptism" [Eph. 4:5]; it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry.'

-- Blessed Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadam, 1854


JMJ,

George Brenner

George Brenner said...


as sent to a friend of mine who is very concerned about Pope Francis remarks about atheists.....

I am saddened by the loose cannon remarks by Pope Francis. Maybe we are at the point of 'something has to give ' in Church history. Jesus in fact and in parables ALWAYS showed intense love, charity and forgiveness IF the person repented and had resolve to go and sin no more. The Popes of VCII have been very good about the hugs , kisses and charity but have all but forgotten about finishing the story in that there must be repentence and reform of one's ways. One without the other is useless. The Ark of Salvation is in very rough waters. .... and so we pray

JMJ,

George Brenner