Mons. Guido Pozzo, Secretary General of the Ecclesia Dei oversaw the Vatican-SSPX doctrinal talks.There is a citation in Fr.J.M Gleize's book which indicates Mons. Guido Pozzo did not know (1):
1.There is no exceptional way of salvation.Since there are no known cases of non Catholics saved outside the visible limits of the Church. Possibilities are not exceptions.
2. There is no known salvation outside the visible limits of the Catholic Church, mentioned in Vatican Council II.
3. So if there are some non Catholics saved outside the visible limits of the Catholic Church we would not know. Since this is only known to God these cases are irrelevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are possibilities,something probable but not exceptions , known or unknown.
Mons .Guido Pozzo at a Conference mentioned that the action of Christ outside the Catholic Church is completed through elements that belong to the Catholic Church.
If Mons.Guido Pozzo could respond to the questions and issues raised on this blog Vatican Council II would emerge traditional.This would create a new possibility for talks and reconciliation with the SSPX .
The Council is traditional on the issues of other religions and Christian communities when interpreted with Feeneyism ( no visible exceptions) and not Cushingism (with visible exceptions). Ad Gentes 7 affirms the dogma when it says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.While Lumen Gentium 16, Lumen Gentium 8 etc are not exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma, which Pope Pius XII called an 'infallible statement'.AG 7 is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church No Salvation. So this is not something I have discovered or a personal view.
With Vatican Council II supporting the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith will not have any text in Vatican Council II to support his view on the theology of religions and the discarding of Limbo.
So this is a new opportunity for the SSPX to begin talks with Ecclesia Dei to receive full canonical status.They can now accept Vatican Council II which is traditional when the false premise of being able to see and meet the dead for us, who are saved in invincible ignorance etc, is not used to interpret magisterial texts.
-Lionel Andrades
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p.153.CFr.Guido Pozzo,Conferenz del 2 luglio 2010 a Wigratzbad,
Vaticano II- Un Dibattito Aperto, Don J.M.Gleize, 2013,Roma, Editrice Ichthys
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3 comments:
Yes VCII teachings are in continuity with past centuries, but no so the teachings and implementation of VCII. How does one explain the following: as was recently said to the President of Brazil by Pope Francis: “I come here as the Bishop of Rome, that is, as someone who leads the Church in the name of charity not Canon law.” ????????????????
How about both Charity and cannon law? Just as you posted before, Lionel from Bishop Schneider
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z8iBeaGeuxw
Please Holy Father some clarity for those for whom you are responsible.
JMJ,
George Brenner
Yes VCII teachings are in continuity with past centuries, but no so the teachings and implementation of VCII.
Lionel:
Vatican Council II is in continuity with past centuries when Feeneyism ( no visible exceptions) is used in theinterpretaion.
and implementation of VCII.
Lionel:
Vatican Council II is being implemented based on Cushingism (with visible exceptions).
There are no exceptions visible or invisible. There is no Salvation Outside the Catholic Church and the possible mercies of God are such that we can not, should not and will not try to understand but simply love and trust always in God.
JMJ,
George Brenner
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