Wednesday, June 26, 2013

Catholic Answers calls being a full fledged member of the Catholic Church extremism: imprimatur from the Bishop of San Diego, USA

Catholic Answers and the Bishop of San Diego have made the Richard Cushing Error.(1)
We do not know any exception to all non Catholics in the present times needing to be a 'full fledged baptized member of the Catholic Church'.We cannot name any one in 2013 who does not have to convert into the Catholic Church with visible Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7).
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church cites Ad Gentes 7 (CCC 846) and states all need to enter the Church 'as through a door' and all need 'faith and baptism'.This means all need to be full fledged,baptized members of the Catholic Church. CCC 846 does not mention any known exceptions.
 
Catholic Answers call this interpretation extremism. It accepts an irrational interpretaion in which it is assumed we can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and they are known exceptions to all needing to be visible members of the Church.
 
Catholic Answers also makes this error in the interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney. The Letter does not state that these cases saved with implicit desire etc are physically visible to us or that they are known or unknown exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Catholic Answers assumes this wrongly.It is implied wrongly that the Letter claims there are known exceptions to the dogma.
 
Even the USCCB Doctrinal Committee misunderstood this teaching it seems in the Notification on Fr.Peter C.Phan.The USCCB  mentioned being saved in invincible ignorance etc but did not qualify that these cases are not known exceptions to Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7 or the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are not exceptions all needing to be a 'full fledged baptized member of the Catholic Church'
-Lionel Andrades
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church, following historic Christian theology since the time of the early Church Fathers, refers to the Catholic Church as "the universal sacrament of salvation" (CCC 774–776), and states: "The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men" (CCC 780).
Many people misunderstand the nature of this teaching.
Indifferentists, going to one extreme, claim that it makes no difference what church one belongs to. Certain radical traditionalists, going to the other extreme, claim that unless one is a full-fledged, baptized member of the Catholic Church, one will be damned...
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/salvation-outside-the-church
IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004



P.S.
A similar error is made by the Catholic Answers apologist staff apologist Jim Blackburn for the Catholic Answers Magazine. He assumes Lumen Gentium 16 and Gaudium et Spes refers to known to us cases of non Catholics saved in the present times who are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Ad  Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
 

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