Thursday, December 20, 2012

SSPX CLAIMS TRADITION TAUGHT THAT OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION BUT VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT TEACH THIS

The SSPX US website has posted a fourth installment in Is the SSPX heretical ?
Archbishop Mueller

Among other things it states that Tradition taught that Outside the Church there is no salvation, while Vatican Council II teaches 'outside Vatican II there is no traditionalist salvation.'

Where does Vatican Council II say this?
-Lionel Andrades


http://www.sspx.org/sspx_and_rome/is_the_sspx_heretical_4_12-19-2012.htm

ANGLICAN ORDINARIATE REPEATING THE ERRORS OF THE ENGLISH BISHOPS

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Catholics in England and Wales should welcome members of the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, the new prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has said.(1)


The Anglicans are formally being taught heresy by the English Bishops. It is all there on the website of the Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales.


This interpretation of Vatican Council II has to be accepted by the Anglicans who have come into the Church.
-Lionel Andrades

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Catholics in England and Wales should welcome members of the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, the new prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has said.
In an interview with Mary O’Regan, Archbishop Gerhard Müller said: “Many of those who have entered into full communion through the ordinariates have sacrificed a great deal in order to be true to their consciences. They should be welcomed wholeheartedly by the Catholic community – not as prodigals but as brothers and sisters in Christ who bring with them into the Church a worthy patrimony of worship and spirituality.”

BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS LUMEN GENTIUM 16 REFERS TO EXPLICITLY KNOWN CASES OF NON CATHOLIC SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

NORMS FOR THE TRIDENTINE RITE MASS VIOLATED?
PRIESTS OFFERING EXTRAORDINARY FORM OF MASS IN ROME DO NOT MEET CONDITIONS OF UNIVERSAE ECCLESIAE : INSTRUCTIONS OF ECCLESIA DEI

Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark implies the 'seeds of the Word' in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation and these exceptions are explicitly known

NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England

ECUMENISM OF THE ENGLISH BISHOPS CONTRARY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/ecumenism-of-english-bishops-contrary.html#links

Archbishop Gerhard Muller says that the SSPX needs to distinguish the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council: but he will not correct Reuters.

Tom Heneghan
Reuters keeps repeating that Vatican Council II has changed the Church's teachings on other religions.(1) Is this is the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council II which the SSPX must accept?


Does the SSPX have to accept the Reuters theological understanding of Vatican Council II?


Reuters has made an objective error. It is a factual mistake, which is influencing their theology.They have used an irrational premise and so have a non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II.


When Archbishop Muller says that the SSPX needs to distinguish the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council II he is not implying that the Reuters version is the correct one?


Unfortunately neither has the SSPX issued a clarification over the Reuters report which was picked up by many newspapers.


The clarification could have simply said that 'implicit salvation mentioned in Vatican Council II is not explicit for us. So no where does Vatican Council II contradict the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It is a fact that we cannot see the dead. So if Reuters implies that we can see the deceased then it is a factual mistake.'


A priest of the SSPX has issued a clarification posted on CNS which said that the SSPX is not anti-Semitic and that their legal counsel has informed them, that some of the statements of Cardinal Kurt Koch are defamation.It said supernatural charity urges them to say that non Catholics need to convert into the Church.


This clarification completely ignored the point of Vatican Council II changing the Church's teachings on other religions.Since the SSPX also, in spite of the statement in its last General Chapter, assumes there is known salvation outside the church and that the deceased are visible to us. So how could they correct Reuters?
-Lionel Andrades

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He said: “The SSPX need to distinguish between the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council and specific abuses that occurred after the Council, but which are not founded in the Council’s documents.”
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/12/19/head-of-the-cdf-urges-catholics-to-welcome-ordinariate-converts/


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REUTERS MAKES AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND ECCLESIA DEI/ CDF DO NOT CLARIFY
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/reuters-makes-objective-mistake-on.html#links
REUTERS MAKES FACTUAL,OBJECTIVE MISTAKE TOO
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/reuters-makes-factualobjective-mistake.html#links

WASHINGTON POST REPORT ON SSPX WRONG ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/washington-post-report-on-sspx-is-wrong.html#links

Paulist Fathers, Sant Egidio and Legion of Christ must also accept Archbishop Muller's ' fullness of the Catholic faith and its practice'


Archbishop Gerhard Muller told The Catholic Herald that the SSPX 'must accept the fullness of the Catholic faith and its practice'.

The Legion of Christ ,Sant Egidio and the Paulist Fathers like so many other progressive groups also do not accept the fullness of the Catholic faith, they are unable to interpret Vatican Council II without the dead-saved-are-visble-to-us premise and so they are also unable to affirm that there are two interpretations of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.There is  a rational one and a non rational one. The non rational interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is not part of the 'fulness of the Catholic faith and its practice'.
Father Paul Robichaud, Father Greg Apparcel, and Ms Rosanna Shedid

The Legion of Christ will not answer if the dead are visible to them(1) or if there can be two interèpretations of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Paulist Fathers at the Church of Santa Susanna Rome (see photo), reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors. They  interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise of being able to see the dead who are saved. Then they assume that these cases of the deceased-visible are exceptions to the thrice defined dogma. Is this the fullness of the Catholif Faith or is this familiar heresy?

 

The Sant Egidio community in Rome also interprets the catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II with the irrational premise of the deceased are alive.This influences their theological understanding of Vatican Council II. This irrationality is being maintained by the bishops associated with Sant Egidio as well as their liberal founder Andrea Riccardi.


When they interpret the Council as a break from the past is this not a theological error for Archbisop Muller?.

They  will also say that they accept Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church and that they accept the Magisterium of the Church. Yet they mean that the dead are visible and are defacto exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.So for them,like also for the SSPX, Vatican  Council contradicts also the teaching on the Social Reign of Jesus.
-Lionel Andrades


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LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST ARE NOT TO ANSWER IF THE DEAD ARE VISIBLE TO THEM OR CAN THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
JIM FAIR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR OF THE LEGION OF CHRIST DOES NOT ANSWER THE TWO QUESTIONS
FROM ROBERTO DE MATTEI TO THE THEOLOGY DEPTT. OF THE UNIVERSITY PONTIFICIAL REGINA APOSTOLORUM ROME - A FALSE PREMISE IS USED IN THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II


France's Interior Ministry to monitor supporters of Vatican Council II ?

France's Interior Minister Manuel Valls told a conference that the French socialist government will monitor certain groups for "religious pathology," including a traditionalist Catholic organization, and will shut them down if it is discovered.(1)

Valls said that 'the government would be monitoring violence' among religious groups 'including Civitas, an organization of lay Catholics which is associated with the Society of Saint Pius X.'

He said that 'Civitas is observed because its political protests flirt with “the limits of legality … All excesses are being minutely registered in case we have to consider dissolving it and defending this before a judge.” '

Civitas is ' a political movement inspired by natural law and the social doctrine of the Church … engaged in the establishment of the social Kingship of Christ' throughout the world, and in France in particular. It demonstrates against secularism and policies which denigrate Christianity, according to Reuters, a leftist news agency.

Reuters in other reports, especially by their Religious News Editor, (2) assumes that Vatican Council II has changed the teachings of the Catholic Church on other religions since he assumes that references to those saved implicitly are explicit i.e we can see cases in 2012 who are dead and now saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16). We can allegedly meet people on the streets, according to Reuters propaganda on Vatican Council II , who are dead and saved with the seeds of the word, implicit desire,imperfect communion with the church etc.

Without the Reuters error of being able to see the dead on earth, Vatican Council II affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Dignitatis Humanae (DH) of Vatican Council II supports the Social Reign of Jesus Christ, as opposed to the secular concept from Rousseau etc.

DH recognizes the religious freedom and rights of non Catholics in a society with a secular Constitution. Even Catholic traditionalists accept this and do not oppose non Catholics legally or physically.

DH also endorses the moral necessity of proclaiming the Catholic Faith outside of which there is no salvation (AG 7).

Vatican Council II does not say that implicit salvation is explicit and an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus salus and the Syllabus of Errors.For discerning Catholics Vatican Council II is a traditional Council irrespective of the ignorance of Reuters and the SSPX on this isuse.

So when President Francois Hollande's creates the “National Observatory of Secularism” to direct legal hate at Catholics, he would also have to monitor those who affirm Vatican Council II in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

The leftist media and organisations oppose Vatican Council II presently, since they assume implicit salvation is explicit.Soon this image in the bubble could burst.(3)

For Catholics God and not man, must be the center of all political legislation.All laws must conform to the teachings of the only Church Jesus founded outside of which there is no salvation.This is opposed by the secular philosophies of leftist and communist governments.
-Lionel Andrades

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REUTERS MAKES AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND ECCLESIA DEI/ CDF DO NOT CLARIFY

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ARCHBISHOP,CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND LAY APOLOGIST SAY VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS : "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"

YEAR OF THE FAITH : VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS