Monday, August 27, 2012

VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ACCORDING TO FR.LEONARD FEENEY: ALSO THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS

A priest has criticizied the SSPX Chapter communique for saying outside the church there is no salvation ‘nor possibility to find the means leading to salvation’ since he assumes those saved in invincible ignorance etc are exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation.

Fr.Joe Jenkins criticizes the 'possible shades of Father Feeney in reference to the Church’ and says that the SSPX was ‘ usually very careful not to associate themselves with these extremists’. He does not see Vatican Council II having 'possible shades of Father Feeney’ and being an 'extremist' Council.

He  cannot admit the obvious and say that those who are dead are not visible to us.Since if he did so then he would have to admit that the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the dogma or to Fr.Leonard Feeney. If  he does not know any case in 2012 they cannot be exceptions to the dogma and then he cannot claim that Vatican Council II contradicts Fr.Leonard Feeney.

So he will still not admit that he cannot see the dead, for then it will be obvious that Vatican Council II affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.

This would mean Vatican Council II is in accord with the SSPX Chapter communique last month.This is an interpretation of Vatican Council II which could be frightful for him and his friends.

So the prospects are still bright for the SSPX. They are in accord with Vatican Council without the Richard Cushing error of being able to see the dead alive.The Council is in accord with the Syllabus of Errors.-Lionel Andrades

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FR.JOE JENKINS INDICATES PRESIDENT OBAMA AND WASHINGTON POLITICIANS ARE DAMNED TO HELL UNLESS THEY CONVERT INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

FR.JOE JENKINS INDICATES AD GENTES 7 CONTRADICTS ITSELF

FR.JOE JENKINS WANTS THE SSPX TO ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH THE VISIBLE DEAD THEORY: EVEN BISHOPS MULLER AND DI NOIA WANT THE SAME

Fr.Joe Jenkins is saying that only they could not be saved who aware, who ‘know’ and yet do not enter.This would include the leading non Catholics in Washington who are educated and informed.LG 14 indicates they are damned unless they convert.

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FR.JOE JENKINS INDICATES PRESIDENT OBAMA AND WASHINGTON POLITICIANS ARE DAMNED TO HELL UNLESS THEY CONVERT INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14 mention those who are aware of Jesus and the Church and who are not in invincible ignorance and do not enter it are on the way to eternal death.

On his Blog The Blogger Priest Fr. Joe Jenkins from the Archdiocese of Washington, USA firstly indicates that Vatican Council II contradicts itself. For him there is a contradiction within Ad Gentes 7 and Ad Gentes 7 also contradicts Lumen Gentium 16.

According to Fr. Joe Jenkins only those who know about Jesus and the Church or who know about Jesus and the Church and its necessity for salvation and do not become a member are damned after they die. All non Catholics in 2012 are not damned according to him since there are some in invincible ignorance, who have not had the Gospel preached to them through no fault of their own and who are known to him in the present times. This is irrational but this is what he suggests. Since only if they were known to him personally could they be exceptions to 'all need to convert to  Him' with faith and baptism.

 We do not know any one saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16). So AG 7 does not contradict LG 16, unless one assumes that the dead are visible.

Since those who 'know' are only damned according to Fr. Joe Jenkins, then those on the path to Hell, for not entering the Church with Catholic Faith could include the educated and informed in the USA, among  them President Obama and the U.S politicians.

However Ad Gentes 7 like the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says all need to be converted to Him in the Church, this is the principle passage in Ad Gentes. It refers to all non Catholics and not just those who know.

Those who know and do not will be judged by God only. The Church says all need to convert for salvation.This has been the teaching of the Church Fathers,Church Councils, the Catechisms of the Catholic Church, including the present one, Vatican Council I and Vatican Council II, Ad Gentes 7.-Lionel Andrades



FR.JOE JENKINS WANTS THE SSPX TO ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH THE VISIBLE DEAD THEORY: EVEN BISHOPS MULLER AND DI NOIA WANT THE SAME
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FR.JOE JENKINS INDICATES AD GENTES 7 CONTRADICTS ITSELF

There are two-parts of Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.


One part says 'all must be converted to Him with faith and baptism' and the second part says there can be those saved 'in inculpable ignorance' and who 'are not aware that God through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary and do not enter it.'

The second part ‘Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it’ – is known only to God.

So (the second part) does not contradict (the first part ) the traditional teaching on Catholic Faith and the baptism of water being the ordinary way of salvation


If we know cases of those persons ‘though not aware’ , those in ‘incuplable ignorance’ who are saved then, it would be an exception to ‘all must be converted to Him’ ( the first part).

So Ad Gentes 7 agrees with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors and does not contradict it.It agrees with the dogma when it says 'all must be converted to Him' and it does not contradict the dogma when it says 'the incupable ignorant' and unaware can be saved.

If someone is an exception he must exist to be an exception. We take this for granted. We do not know any person who exists in 2012 or the last 100 years who was saved in inculpable ignorance.

It was Cardinal Richard Cushing the Archbishop of Boston who said there was salvation outside the Church.He and the Jesuits were active at Vatican Council II.

However no text in Vatican Council II including Ad Gentes 7, says that we know those who are saved in invincible ignorance or that these cases are exceptions to the dogma.


To make this error, one has to imply or assume that there are exceptions to the dogma. This is what Fr. Joe Jenkins does  -Lionel Andrades


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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.

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Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him



Fr.Joe Jenkins is saying that only they could not be saved who aware, who ‘know’ and yet do not enter.This would include the leading non Catholics in Washington who are educated and informed.LG 14 indicates they are damned unless they convert.
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