Fr.Joe Jenkins is saying that only they could not be saved who aware, who ‘know’ and yet do not enter.This would include the leading non Catholics in Washington who are educated and informed.LG 14 indicates they are damned unless they convert.

I noticed the blog post of Fr.Joe Jenkins where I asked :

Similarly when Ad Gentes 7 says that all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation we do not know any exceptions. None. Would you agree?

No he would not.

FATHER JOE:

No, this is not what Ad Gentes says. While affirming the role of Christ and his Church, we also read: “‘Therefore those men cannot be saved, WHO THOUGH AWARE THAT GOD, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.’

Fr.Joe Jenkins is saying that only they could not be saved who aware, who ‘know’ and yet do not enter.This would include the leading non Catholics in Washington who are educated and informed.LG 14 indicates they are damned unless they convert.

Father Joe will not accept that all non Catholics with no exception need to enter the Church.

Why? Does he know those who 'know' and those who 'do not know 'who are saved or going to be saved? Can he judge ?

The principal teaching of Ad Gentes 7 is that 'all need faith and baptism' for salvation. This is the ordinary way.All means all. We cannot judge and say this person knows and this person does not know and so this is the ordinary means of salvation.

So Fr.Joe does not agree that all need catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation and this is the ordinary means to Heaven according to the Church.

Instead he says:

Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6),

So does it mean that the person who is invincibly ignorant and saved is known to us and so an exception to 'all need faith and baptism' ? We do not know any invincible ignorance case saved. So why mention it as an exception? Why imply it is an exception?

Fr.Joe says :

The person who is aware that Jesus is God and that he instituted the Catholic Church as the true Church for our salvation must by necessity join that Church. But this leaves open the situation of ignorance of those who have not arrived at this truth.

So there could be a person who is ignorant and this would only be known to Jesus who  would judge who knows and who was ignorant. Jesus will also judge knowing that the ordinary means of salvation according to His teaching and that of His Church was Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.

Fr.Joe says.

When it comes to Ad Gentes 7, you must not omit the words, “WHO THOUGH AWARE THAT GOD.”

The dogma and Ad Gentes 7 says all need Catholic Faith, all need to convert. It was Richard Cushing, Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits who assumed that those in ignorance were exceptions to the dogma and that we knew these cases for them to be exceptions. So they made the distinction between those who know and those who are in ignorance.

We know this is a new doctrine and irrational. We do not know who is saved in invincible ignorance so it does not contradict the dogma.Neither are we aware of who 'knows' about the Church .If there is such an exception the final decision is with God. We cannot judge.This was the error of Richard Cushing. He assumed that we could judge who is saved in ignorance.

So “WHO THOUGH AWARE THAT GOD.”does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 when it says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. Vatican Council II does not contradict itself.-Lionel Andrades

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LIKE I SAID IN ROME THEY DON'T PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL IN HOMILIES AND PUBLICATIONS

Last Friday I had the feeling at evening Mass that the priest had read some of these blog posts in which his community was mentioned. He looked at me during the homily and in a kind tone said proclaiming the Gospel is important and we proclaim the Gospel when we announce Christ in the Church, this is the Good News, this is the New Evangelisation.

I wanted to speak to him after Holy Mass but was distracted by another priest who spoke to me while I was leaving .

I wanted to tell the priest who gave the homily that this was not really the Gospel since all the other priests are announcing Jesus as the Saviour and they are presenting their homilies in the Church. However they mean all who are saved in other religions are saved through Jesus and so the non Catholics  do not have to enter the Church, they do not have to be in the Church for salvation.

This is the familiar Jesus without the Church.

This priest on Friday was also not saying that Jesus is the only Saviour of the world and for salvation every one needs to enter Catholic Church the Mystical body of Jesus outside of which there is no salvation. This is what the Bible says.

He could not say this since like the other priests of his community he believes Vatican Council II says there is salvation outside the Church. The Catechism says God is not limited to the Sacraments.No where does Vatican Council II say there is salvation outside the Church contradicting the dogma. Neither are those saved without the Sacraments a contradiction of the dogmatic teaching that every one needs to convert into the Church for salvation. We do not know any one saved without the Sacraments. So it is not relevant to the dogma.

So in the homily we were not listening to a presentation of the Gospel.This was not  how St.Maximillian Kolbe presented the Gospel or wrote about it.In the 1930's St.Maximillian was not affected by the Richard Cushing  Error which emerged in the 1940's.

This priest was probably protecting himself like the other priests who do not want to proclaim the Gospel and create a controversy for themself.

So they will politely talk about Jesus being the only Saviour.Meanwhile the Congregation knows that every one does not need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. Others are saved in general in their religions by Jesus.The priest is not going to correct this error.

He was presenting Jesus without the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so he lost perspective. He lost the faith and was presenting the politically approved Gospel on a vague understanding of Jesus which would offend no one in Rome.

Jesus says to go out and proclaim the Good News, he who believes will be saved and he who does not will be condemned. He who does not believe will be condemned.(Mk.16:16)

The priest could have said that Jesus is the unique Saviour in a unique Church and all people need to believe in Jesus, learn the Catholic  Faith faith get baptised with water and enter and remain in this Church for salvation.There is salvation in no other religion or Christian community or Church.

This is the Gospel as it was presented over the centuries,guided by the Holy Spirit.

-Lionel Andrades

OBLATES OF ST.JOSEPH PRIEST AGREES WE CANNOT SEE THE DEAD AND THEY ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO ANYTHING

Today morning in a little church  in the centre of Rome I was talking to a young priest of the Oblates of St. Joseph.

He agreed it was irrational when the sisters or priests say that being saved in invincible ignorance is an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation.Neither does it contradict  Ad Gentes 7.It is irrational. Since we cannot see ghosts. So there are no known exceptions, in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or to the Syllabus of Errors.

Contrary to what is being taught,the baptism of desire and being saved with a good conscience are not exceptions to the centuries old teaching and to Vatican Council II (AG 7). Even  Dominus Iesus 20 says all need to respond with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to avoid Hell (for salvation).

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) priests also assume that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma and the Syllabus since for them being saved in invincible ignorance etc (LG 16) woud superficially seem to contradict the dogma.

However Catholics at large make this error and so the SSPX is correct in saying that Vatican Council II is a modernist, heretical Council. It is modernist only when it is assumed that those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the Syllabus and the dogma.

Even though this Oblate of St.Joseph priest agreed that invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma he has had his formation with this error and it will take some time for him to see through other accompanying errors.

There is hope for the future though, since we have identified the source of their dissent and heresy.--Lionel Andrades

PROPAGANDA FIDE IS GIVING OUT THOUSANDS OF EUROS TO THE BEDA PONTIFICAL SEMINARY IN ROME WHICH TACHES THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE TO US.

Propaganda Fide, Vatican is giving out millions of euros to finance seminarians in the Pontifical colleges who are being taught that we can see the dead (saved) who are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.

The colleges have used this irrationality to say that the Church has changed its teachings after Vatican Council II.

At the Beda Pontifical College, the English seminary in Rome under the bishops of England and Wales for late vocations, they cannot cite any text from Vatican Council II which states that there are known exceptions to the dogma, or that these cases, now dead, are known to us on earth, for them to be exceptions.

The Rector Mons. Roderick Strange will say that Jesus died for all and that salvation is open to all. He cannot say  that all need to respond for salvation by entering the Catholic Church. (Dominus Iesus 20, CDF, Notification on Fr.Jacques Dupuis S.J 2001).

This premise : that the dead are visible to us is the basis of dissent and liberalism. Since it is assumed there is salvation outside the Church the seminarians are taught that Protestants and other non Catholics are going to Heaven even though they practice abortion, divorce, contracep etc.Since there is salvation outside the Church mission is not needed.

Propaganda Fide gets its money from donations.It  does not make it a condition that the Beda College Rector or seminarians are faithful to the teachings of the Church.

The Rector of course will say that he is faithful to the Church and that he can see the dead who are defacto exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Ad Gentes 7, which he rejects.-Lionel Andrades

International Theological Commission papers are full of ‘non-sense’ since we don’t know anyone saved with the baptism of desire: Priests who protest against the ITC could be suspended

Error is being taught in Catholic universities, seminaries and religious institutes and the Congregation for Catholic Education is not aware of it.

The International Theological Papers(ITC) available on the internet have an objective factual error which is the basis of its fantasy-theology with no doctrinal basis.The error is there for all of us to see in Christianity and the World Religions (1997).Since no one objected in 1997 it was repeated in 2007 in The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being baptized.

The two theological papers indicate that the dead are visible. They can see ghosts. These dead people who were saved in Heaven have come down to earth. They can be seen. So these exceptional people are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to the traditional interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney.

The dogma says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Everyone needs to convert. However Fr. Luiz Ladaria S.J, President of ITC says there are exceptions.Since they can see these cases on earth even after they have died and who are saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire- they are exceptions.

So they alleged that the Church has changed its teachings after Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II says there is salvation outside the Church for the ITC.

This is irrational said an Oblate of St. Joseph priest to whom I spoke to today morning. The dead cannot be known exceptions, to the dogma.

After overlooking these errors in the ITC papers Fr. Luiz Ladaria, a Spanish Jesuit priest teaching at the Gregorian University, Rome was made a cardinal. He is now the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican. He was the President of the ITC when the errors were made.

The Secretary of the ITC was a Swiss priest Fr. Charles Morerod O.P who was also teaching this error at the Angelicum University as the Rector i.e. they could see the dead who were defacto exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He was made a bishop.

The same error was made in his thesis by a student of Fr. Charles Morerod as the moderator of the thesis. This student, now an Italian diocesan priest teaches seminarians at the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate seminary in Boccea, Rome. He will not affirm the dogma in pubic and offers the Traditional Latin Mass. Neither will he say that invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma.This was the error on which he based his thesis for a Masters Degree. The seminarians are repeating this irrationality  along with the Franciscan priests there.

This diocesan priest has been working for a doctorate on the theme outside the church there is no salvation. He is likely to repeat all the familiar misunderstandings  along with his Opus Dei moderator at the Holy Cross University, Rome. If he affirms the faith in public he could be suspended…He is not likely to issue a critique of the ITC if he wants to remain a priest here.

Those who teach errors are made a cardinal and bishop.Any priest correcting these errors in public may not be allowed to remain a priest.-Lionel Andrades