Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Medugorje comment

Here is an interesting comment on Medugorje.

Posted by thomas on Monday, Dec 10, 2012 7:06 PM (EDT):>>>>Posted by
Carol Cohoon on Thursday, Dec 6, 2012 3:52 PM (EDT):Julir: Our Lady never said “ALL RELIGIONS ARE THE SAME” What she did say is we should “RESPECT ALL RELIGIONS” Big difference!!!!

Medjugorje: Oct. 1, 1981: “All religions are equal before God,” says the Virgin. (Chronological Corpus of Medjugorje, p. 317) WRONG!

Holy Roman Catholic Church: The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded upon his death on the Cross. All other religions are heretical, false, and therefore anathema. CORRECT!

Medjugorje: “I do not dispose of all graces…Jesus prefers that you address your petitions directly to him, rather than through an intermediary.” (Chron. Corp. p.181, 277-278) WRONG

Holy Roman Catholic Church: The Second Vatican Council (Lumen gentium ## 61-62), “...she [Mary] is our Mother in the order of grace.” “For this reason, the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adiutrix, and Mediatrix.”

Pope Leo XIII: She has “practically limitless power”

Pope St. Pius X: She is the “dispensatrix of all the gifts” and the “neck” connecting the Head of the Mystical Body of Christ to the Members. And all power flows through the neck.

Pius XII: “Her kingdom is as vast as that of her Son and God, since nothing is excluded from her dominion.”

Mary is the Mediatrix of all Grace. The teaching is infallible. CORRECT

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya4.htm

“God directs all denominations as a king directs his subjects, through the medium of his ministers” (“The Apparitions at Medjugorje,” by Fr. Svat Kraljevic, 1984, p.58)

“It is you who are divided on this earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, like the Catholics, are equal before my Son and before me, for you are all my children.” (Fr. Ljubic, p.71)

“The Madonna said that religious are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by her Son.” Ivanka Ivankovic (The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje, Francisco Herald Press, 1984)

Question: “Is the Blessed Mother calling all people to be Catholic?” Answer: “No. The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son.” Vicka Ivankovic. (The Visions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje, St. Martin’s Press, August, 1992)

The last one is a beaut. No, Our Lady is NOT calling people to be Catholic?? That should send a million RED flags up. ALL religions are dear? The Roman Catholic Church has already declared these as heresies.

Medjugoje is NOT from Heaven. The church has declared the dogma “Outside the church there is no salvation…” 3 times.

Pope Innocent III: “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

Pope Boniface VIII: “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

Pope Eugene IV: “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Cantate Domino, 1441.)
 http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/vatican-medjugorje-commission-findings-not-imminent#ixzz2EjLB2Ikg
 
Lionel: If Our Lady did say that all religions are equal and every one does not have to convert into the Church for salvation could she be just repeating what the present Magisterum has been saying since the 1940's and right through Vatican Council II ? And it is the Magisterium which decides if the apparitions are authentic.

Recently Archbishops at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), Vatican said in the media that the SSPX will have to accept that non Catholics do not have to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation, and then only will they be granted canonical status.

The CDF Secretary in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission has said that Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for denying the exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 does not say so. He has to imply it and he does!

Cardinal Camilio Ruini assumes that the baptism of desire etc are known exceptions to the traditional teaching on salvation. For him these cases are visible on earth. He can see people dead and saved  on earth.

So now imagine Our Lady saying all or most people are oriented to Hell.Would  Cardinal Schonberg welcome the Medugorje  seers in Austria as he did  recently?

What would be the political reaction of non Catholics to the Medugorje message?

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