Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni


John Martignoni the well known Catholic apologist has answered the two important questions.He has said that  in the year 2012 we cannot know any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word (AG 7), imperfect communion with the Church. Also that these cases annot be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.

 

In e-mail messages to me John Martignoni who is also the Director of the Office of the New Evangelisation and Stewardship, Diocese of Birmingham,USA wrote

Even if we could know, in this lifetime, which we can’t, that someone has been saved even though they were invincibly ignorant, or if someone has been saved through the Baptism of Desire, etc., it would not be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is because they would be saved through the Church by some extraordinary means known unto God alone. So, it would still be that outside the Church, there is no salvation.

A member of the Diocesan Staff under Bishop Robert J.Baker he observed ‘How can zero cases of something be considered exceptions?’

I wrote:You would also agree that since implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience(LG 16) are possibilities mentioned in Vatican Council II and not defacto,known exceptions to the dogma, so Vatican Council II in these cases does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
 

He replied,'Yes, I agree that none of those things would contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus.'
-Lionel Andrades


Director of the Office of the New Evangelization and Stewardship,Diocese of Birmingham in Alabama,USA
2121 3rd Ave. N.
P.O. Box 12047
Birmingham, AL 35202-2047
Phone: ( 205) 776-7163
Email:  jmartignoni@bhmdiocese.org
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