Father Niklaus Pfluger: There are many who might welcome a new excommunication, but during this pope’s reign, it seems highly improbable. How would they justify it? There is no “traditional heresy.” We do not belong to the sedevacantists. We fully accept that the assistance of the Holy Ghost is granted to the pope and the bishops. But from Rome’s standpoint, the Society was pronounced guilty of “disobedience” even when the excommunications from 1988 were later withdrawn. How would they justify new ecclesiastical penalties? For refusing the Council? In the Credo none of the articles state: “I believe in the Second Vatican Council…!” http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/10/sspx-rome-we-are-back-to-square-one.html#more
Lionel: There is no ‘traditional heresy’?
No traditional heresy?!
Here are two premises with their logical conclusions. One is a denial of the Nicene Creed. It is used by the SSPX in their interpretation of Vatican Council. It is heretical. However it is also the one used by the Vatican Curia including Cardinal Gerhard Muller, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican.
1.
Premise 1: The dead saved are visible to us.
Premise 2: The dead saved are not visible to us.
Conclusion with Premise 1: There is salvation outside the church.
Conclusion with Premise 2: There is no salvation outside the Church.
Conclusion with Premise 1: Vatican Council Ii says there is salvation outside the Church.(LG 16-invincible ignorance etc)
Conclusion with Premise 2: Vatican Council II says there is no salvation outside Church. (LG 16 is not explicit but implicit).
Conclusion with Premise 1: Vatican Council II contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Conclusion with Premise 2: Vatican Council ii is in accord with Vatican Council II and the Syllabus of Errors. It does not contradict them.
Conclusion with Premise 1: Vatican Council II is modernist.
Conclusion with Premise 2: Vatican Council II is traditional.
2.
Premise1: The dead saved are visible to us.
Premise 2: The dead saved are not visible to us.
Conclusion with Premise 1: There is salvation outside the church.
Conclusion with Premise 2: There is no salvation outside the Church.
Conclusion with Premise 1: The dead saved are visible to us. There is salvation outside the church . Though the Nicene Creed says ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins’. There are three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins the baptism of water, desire and blood.
There can be even more known baptisms such as being saved with ‘the seeds of the word’(AG 11) or imperfect communion with the church, a good conscience etc .
Conclusion with Premise 2: The dead saved are not visible to us. There is no salvation outside the church. The Nicene Creed says ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins’. There is only one known baptism, the baptism of water.
Conclusion with Premise 1: The Nicene Creed contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Conclusion with Premise 2: The Nicene Creed is in accord with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Vatican Council II. It does not contradict them.
Fr.Niclaus Pfluger is using Premise 1 in his interpretation of Vatican Council II.Since he is using Premise 1 he will also be confusing on the Nicene Creed. An SSPX website criticizes Fr. Leonard Feeney for not using three known baptisms instead of one.
This is a denial of the Creed. So in any profession of Faith the SSPX would be saying they believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin but also accept that there are three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin.
To deny the Nicene Creed is first class heresy.However this is also the heresy of those who could excommunicate the SSPX.
There is no traditional heresy? Yes there is!
APPLY THE HERESY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II
A.Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. B.Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Conclusion with Premise I: B contradicts A.
Conclsuion with Premise 2: B does not contradict A.
A.Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door...B.Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Conclusion with Premise I: B contradicts A.
Conclusion with Premise 2: B does not contradict A.
A. Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7
B. '...let them gladly and reverently lay bare the seeds of the Word which lie hidden among their fellows.-Ad Gentes
Conclusion with Premise I: B contradicts A.
Conclusion with Premise 2: B does not contradict A.
Fr. Niklaus Pfluger's interpretation of Vatican Council II is heretical and a break from Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades
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