Thursday, September 6, 2012

THE DIMOND BROTHERS WERE WRONG ON THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE BEING VISIBLE. COULD THEY ALSO BE WRONG ON THEIR CRITICISM OF THE NOVUS ORDO MASS ?

The SSPX priest Fr. Peter Scott and Fr.Francois Laisney were wrong in assuming that there was a visible baptism of desire. Could Fr.Scott also be wrong about the Holy Mass in the vernacular?

This is the question raised in comments on a post on this blog.(1)

Peter and Michael Dimond, sedevacantists of the Most Holy Family Monastery do not accept the baptism of desire since they assume that it would be a contradiction of the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If you talk to an SSPX priest he will probably still talk in terms of the baptism of desire being an explicit exception to the dogma on salvation.Could he also be wrong on the Novos Ordo Mass?

Even the supporters of Fr.Leonard Feeney will say theologically that there is no baptism of desire.For them there could be implicit desire followed by the baptism of water. They will not admit in public that there is no visible baptism of desire.Neither will they admit that being saved with implicit desire followed by the baptism of water is not visible to us.


If it is not visible to us then it is irrelevant to Fr.Leonard Feeney's literal interpretation of the dogma .Neither have they corrected the SSPX priests and sedevacantists by using this approach to the issue.

We do  not know any one saved with implicit desire followed by the baptism of water but we know that every one needs the baptism of water with Catholic Faith for salvation since the Church says so through Vatican Council II (AG 7), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, Dominus Iesus 20, the Catechism of the Catholic Chruch 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55 etc and John 3:5, Mk.16:16.It's the Holy Spirit who guides the Catholic Chruch.-Lionel Andrades
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DIMOND BROTHERS ASSUME THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE TO US AND SO CRITICIZE JOHN SALZA
I can affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus alongwith implicit baptism of desire etc and I do not have to become a sedevacantist. They can do the same.

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