However because of the Richard Cushing error he also says that we can hope for the salvation of all infants who die before baptism.
In his leaflet, ‘Why baptize my child?’ (1) he states that the Catholic Church knows of no means to go to Heaven and avoid Hell other than the baptism of water. (CCC1257)
This is the traditional teaching of the Church and also that of Vatican Council II. (AG 7).There are two options. It’s either Hell or Heaven, water baptism of no baptism.
We cannot administer the baptism of desire or blood (martyrdom).
The general, ordinary means of salvation is the baptism of water and if someone is saved with the baptism of desire we wouldn’t know.The ordinary means of salvation is not the baptism of desire.
CUSHING ERROR
The bishop has to contradict himself since the ITC indicates that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the traditional teaching on baptism.
In other words we can see the dead saved. The dead are visible to us on earth.
Since they are allegedly visible to us the ITC assumes there is salvation outside the Church in the present times. We know such cases saved in 2012 according to the ITC.
So they assume that infants can also be saved in general. The traditional interpretation of the dogma on extra ecclesiam nulla salus is contradicted. Vatican Council II (AG 7) is also contradicted.
Hence the pamphlets say it’s either the baptism of water or Hell and it also says we can hope for the salvation of infants in general who have not been baptized with water and they will go to Heaven and not Limbo or Hell.
The ‘Yes and No’ confusion in the pamphlet , the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II can be eliminated by acknowledging that the dead are not visible in the present times (2012).
So there are no exceptions to the traditional understanding of the Catholic Faith.-Lionel Andrades
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Just as we acknowledge the possibilities of Baptism of Desire and Invincible ignorance as they may exist before God, we too certainly can pray and 'hope' that God might be merciful to the aborted children as an example. I volunteer at the Right To life and that is always my prayer and hope. We must teach Baptism by water and No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church with unwavering certainty on earth BUT we also should never infringe on the judgement of God who is not bound by His Sacraments. Who is to say that angels could not baptize etc.
If God is not bound by His Sacraments, He would make Himself untrustworthy. He has bound Himself by His Word, and will not (and cannot) deceive us.
I think it is the Church that says angels cannot baptize.
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If God is not bound by His Sacraments, He would make Himself untrustworthy. He has bound Himself by His Word, and will not (and cannot) deceive us.
Lionel:
Those who cannot say that we do not know any case of the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance have difficulty here.
Those who know that we do not know any exceptions, and that they are irrelevant to the literal interpretation of the dogma, know that this is not an issue.
The baptism of water is the ordinary means of salvation we all agree here.
If God chooses to save a person without the Sacraments it would be known only to God. So it does not contradict the ordinary, normal way chosen by God for us to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.
It was Cardinal Richard Cushing who contributed to the illusion of the baptism of desire being an exception to the ordinary means of salvation chosen by God.
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I think it is the Church that says angels cannot baptize.
Lionel:
If God chose to send an angel to baptize someone it is possible. God being God.
However we cannot know of any such case. So it does not contradict the teaching of the dogma extra ecclesiam, which says all must convert. It does not also contradict Vatican Council II (AG 7 ) which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
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