Wednesday, August 29, 2012

IMPEDIMENT IN THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS?

Usually for the enemies of the Church the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) is not a problem as long as the extra ecclesiam nulla salus component is not there.

Since they are influenced by the Richard Cushing error they assume extra ecclesiam nulla salus is restricted to only one liturgy, the TLM.


Imbued with the Cushing visible-dead theory does the Traditional Latin Mass, the Mass of the centuries and the saints, today carry an impediment?

For instance Fr.Joseph Kramer FSSP,is  the 'Pastor' ,(as described on their website),at the Church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini,Rome. He will not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus in public. He fears there are too many people against them.They would want to stop the TLM in Rome. In public he will not call other religions'false'.

So the TLM is allowed in Rome since the extra ecclesiam nulla salus proclamation is not there by the priest offering the Mass.


Fr.Kramer will also disassociate himself from any Catholic who affirms the dogma in public.


Also if a Catholic who in public affirms the dogma attends Mass at the Church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini where he is the 'Pastor'  he could be asked to leave or attend another church. Nothwitstanding that  the centuries old interpretation of the dogma is  affirmed by Vatican Council II (AG 7) and not contradicted by Vatican Council II (LG 16).

Fr.Kramer could ask this faithful , traditional Catholic to leave. If Fr.Kramer got 'instructions' and had to protect his position he would ask a faithful Catholic to not attend the TLM at the Church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini..

The homilies at his TLM are similar to those in the Novus Ordo Mass.

Is the denying of the literal interpretation of the dogma, with the Cushing error of knowing the dead- saved with the baptism of desire etc, a heresy and so an impediment for Fr.Kramer offering Holy Mass?

Fr.Joseph Kramer was once a member of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) along with other priests he left the society and they formed the Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP).They  have canonical status with the condition that they cannot in public affirm the dogma on exclusive salvation in accord with Vatican Council II and the Syllabus of Errors.-Lionel Andrades

VATICAN COUNCIL II MOMENT : TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/vatican-council-ii-moment-traditional.html#links

http://www.fssp.it/pages/english/home.php

1 comment:

George Brenner said...


So when Father Joseph Kramer personally vows and proclaims in the Nicene Creed, every time he says Mass, that he believes in ONE, Holy , Catholic and Apostolic Church, what does he really believe and teach. That should be a question that he could answer under his obedience to Jesus.