Monday, August 27, 2012

FR.JOE JENKINS INDICATES AD GENTES 7 CONTRADICTS ITSELF

There are two-parts of Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.


One part says 'all must be converted to Him with faith and baptism' and the second part says there can be those saved 'in inculpable ignorance' and who 'are not aware that God through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary and do not enter it.'

The second part ‘Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it’ – is known only to God.

So (the second part) does not contradict (the first part ) the traditional teaching on Catholic Faith and the baptism of water being the ordinary way of salvation


If we know cases of those persons ‘though not aware’ , those in ‘incuplable ignorance’ who are saved then, it would be an exception to ‘all must be converted to Him’ ( the first part).

So Ad Gentes 7 agrees with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors and does not contradict it.It agrees with the dogma when it says 'all must be converted to Him' and it does not contradict the dogma when it says 'the incupable ignorant' and unaware can be saved.

If someone is an exception he must exist to be an exception. We take this for granted. We do not know any person who exists in 2012 or the last 100 years who was saved in inculpable ignorance.

It was Cardinal Richard Cushing the Archbishop of Boston who said there was salvation outside the Church.He and the Jesuits were active at Vatican Council II.

However no text in Vatican Council II including Ad Gentes 7, says that we know those who are saved in invincible ignorance or that these cases are exceptions to the dogma.


To make this error, one has to imply or assume that there are exceptions to the dogma. This is what Fr. Joe Jenkins does  -Lionel Andrades


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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.

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Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him



Fr.Joe Jenkins is saying that only they could not be saved who aware, who ‘know’ and yet do not enter.This would include the leading non Catholics in Washington who are educated and informed.LG 14 indicates they are damned unless they convert.

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