The Latin Mass Society Conference in London speakers in confusion; SSPX could be letting another chance go by

On June 9 the Latin Mass Society will hold a conference (1) and the speakers include Fr.Tim Finigan who on the blog The Hermeneutic of Continuity has difficulty with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, baptism of desire and Vatican Council II.There is confusion on ecclesiology.Unless there are people on earth who have a special charism and Fr.Tim Finegan could be one of them, who can see people on earth saved with the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, most people, if not all, cannot see these cases. So these cases  cannot be exceptions to the dogma. The baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma.

This issue is at the heart of the SSPX problem.The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) needs to respond to all this in language which is precise example they could say:-

“We reject the Vatican Council II of those who believe that persons saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us on earth and so are exceptions to Original Sin, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II ( AG 7).We reject this Vatican Council II interrpetation as irrational. We can accept any Magisterial document, including Vatican Council II, which assumes those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc are in Heaven and are known only to God.So Vatican Council II according to Tradition does not contradict the SSPX position on other religions, Judaism and ecumenism and it is in in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to popes,Church Councils and saints”.

So when Cardinal Kurt Koch says the SSPX must accept Vatican Council II they can respond that they do accept the Council according to Tradition e.g Ad Gentes 7. Can Cardinal Koch accept it? No! This can be seen by their removal of comments on this subject from Rorate Caeli.Ad Gentes 7 is at the heart of other religions,ecumenism and religious liberty.

When Cardinal Kurt Koch says that the SSPX must accept that Jews do not have to convert the SSPX could respond that Vatican Council II indicates that Jews need to convert and that Catholics are the new Chosen People of God. Can Cardinal Koch accept this ? No. This can be seen from their response to the Catholic News Service report on Cardinal Koch's May 16 statement at the Angelicum University.

However if the SSPX is not sure of this issue like some of the speakers at the London Conference Cardinal Koch can make his claims on Vatican Council II with no references from the Council and the SSPX will not be able to check him. The same thing happened during the SSPX-Vatican talks. The SSPX did not point out to Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Morerod the factual errors that are there in two of the theological papers of the International Theological Commission. They should have made it public. They did not. The Vatican side got away with it.

-Lionel Andrades

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http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/05/latin-mass-society-conference-in-london.html#more
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.

Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/nostra-aetate-does-not-contradict-ad.html#links