Saturday, March 3, 2012

ALL THE CATECHISMS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAVE TAUGHT THE RIGORIST VIEW OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Objection 4

No Catholic Catechism has ever taught the Rigorist view. In fact, three major catechisms of the Church clearly affirm that salvation is not restricted to formal membership. See Appendix 4 for the evidence from the Catechism of St. Pius X, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, and the recent Catechism.-John Pachecho.

                              
                                 APPENDIX 4

Catechisms

Catechism of the Council of Trent (1)  
Lionel: The above passage refers to those who who can be saved with the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogmatic teaching in the Catechism that every one needs to be an explicit member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Since we do not know any case in particular of a person saved with the baptism of desire.


We accept as a possibility that a person can be saved with the baptism of desire. However we do not claim to know any such case which would contradict the dogma outside the church no salvation.


Pope St. Pius X Catechism (2)
Lionel: Q.132. Here the Catechism of St. Pius X affirms the rigorist interpretation of outside the church no salvation when it states ‘outside one does not have either the means which have been established or the secure guidance which has been set up for eternal salvation’.

Question 280 (3)

Lionel:Q 280: ‘Without Baptism no one can be saved.’ Defacto every one needs the baptism of water given to adults with Catholic Faith, for salvation. This is the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as held by the Church Councils, the popes, the saints, Vatican Council , magisterial documents after Vatican Council II and Fr.Leonard Feeney.


Catechism of the Catholic Church

CCC 846 (4)

Lionel: The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus just as the other Catechisms before Vatican Council II.


CCC 846 also says:
Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
There can be those saved who have received the baptism of water with Catholic Faith and there are those who are saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire etc.

Those who are saved with the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the teaching in CCC 846 that all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

So CCC 846 still teaches the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

CCC 846 affirms the dogma : (4)
CCC 846 repeats Ad Gentes 7 which says all need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. They all need to enter the Church ‘as through a door’. As through a door was term used by the Church Fathers for outside the church no salvation.

CCC 847 (6) - This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church...(LG 16) 
Lionel: Those who through no fault of their own do not know Christ and his Church will be judged by God only and only God will know these cases. We do not know who they are in particular. So CCC 847 does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need convert into the Church.

The Catechism also mentions the person ‘ who finds himself outside without fault of his own’. That such a person can receive salvation is accepted in principle. The Catechism does not say that we know these cases or that they are exceptions to the dogma.-Lionel Andrades
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1.
"It was ordered by the Council of Trent, edited under St. Charles Borromeo, and published by decree of Pope St. Pius V (1566). Pope Leo XIII recommended two books for all seminarians: St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica and The Catechism of the Council of Trent…Question 132 - Will a person outside the Church be saved? It is a most serious loss to be outside the Church, because outside one does not have either the means which have been established or the secure guidance which has been set up for eternal salvation, which is the one thing truly necessary for man. A PERSON OUTSIDE THE CHURCH BY HIS OWN FAULT, AND WHO DIES WITHOUT PERFECT CONTRITION, WILL NOT BE SAVED. BUT HE WHO FINDS HIMSELF OUTSIDE WITHOUT FAULT OF HIS OWN, AND WHO LIVES A GOOD LIFE, CAN BE SAVED BY THE LOVE CALLED CHARITY, WHICH UNITES UNTO GOD, AND IN A SPIRITUAL WAY ALSO TO THE CHURCH, THAT IS, TO THE SOUL OF THE CHURCH.

2.
"On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness."

3.
Question 280 - If Baptism is necessary for all men, is no one saved without Baptism? - Without Baptism no one can be saved. HOWEVER, WHEN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RECEIVE BAPTISM OF WATER, THE BAPTISM OF BLOOD SUFFICES, THAT IS, MARTYRDOM SUFFERED FOR JESUS CHRIST; AND ALSO THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE SUFFICES, which is the love of God by charity, desiring to make use of the means of salvation instituted by God.
4.
Outside the Church there is no salvation. How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through

5.
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.

6.
CCC 847 - This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who through no fault of their own, do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation. (LG 16) 

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