WE DON'T KNOW ANY MUSLIM SAVED FOLLOWING HIS GOOD CONSCIENCE SO IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION

Where and when does the Catholic Church teach that a particular Muslim or non Catholic can be saved by following his conscience?

Lumen Gentium 16 mentions that a non Catholic can be saved with a good conscience. LG 16 does not say that this the general, ordinary means of salvation or that we know of particular Muslims saved with a good conscience. We are unable to know who is presently saved among them in Heaven.

So those saved with a good conscience, unknown on earth, are not exceptions to Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, Vatican Council II, Dominus Iesus 20 and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845 etc. These magisterial documents  say all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell, all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation and that Jesus died for all but to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church and that the Church is the only of Noah that saves in the flood. God the Father wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church.

We don’t know any Musllim saved following his good conscience so it does not contradict the dogma outside the church no salvation.

So LG 16 is not an obstacle, to Church doctrine ,as I have mentioned in the report ‘What does the Catholic Church teach about Islam?’(Catholic Beliefs forum)

Jon, the Administrator at Catholic Beliefs.com says 'I don't think that the Catholic Church teachers that Muslims must enter the Church to avoid hell. My understanding is that they must follow their conscience if not having been exposed to the Gospel.'

When he says that Muslims can be saved following their conscience he is not implying that he knows most Muslims or some Muslims are saved by following their conscience. He does not. He obviously cannot know.

All he can say is that it is possible that a Muslim can be saved following his good conscience and that in principle he accepts this.

The traditional teaching is that all people, with no known exceptions need to enter the Church with faith and baptism (AG 7) for salvation.( Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) etc.

So Jon’s interpretation of Vatican Council II is a personal one and expedient but not the traditional official teaching of the Catholic Church. It’s a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), Dominus Iesus 20 etc.Contraception and divorce may be popular and the secular media encourages it but this is not the teaching of the Catholic Church. So it is not the teaching of the Catholic Church that Muslims are saved in general by following their conscience –Lionel Andrades

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