Tuesday, December 20, 2011

CATHOLIC WRITERS STILL USE THE ARCHBISHOP RICHARD CUSHING ERROR

Catholic writers are still using the Archbishop Richard Cushing error of assuming that the baptism of desire and those saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

Phillip Gray’s article on the Catholics United for the Faith website is posted with the same errors by the Catholic Education Resource Center,Canada..

He writes that many people who claim that God restricts salvation to baptized Catholics cite the Fathers of the Church to prove their assertions. According to him ‘their words ‘were not directed at those who, by no fault of their own, did not know the Gospel of Christ.’

Those who ‘by no fault of their own, did not know the Gospel of Christ’ was not an issue in the Catholic Church before the 1940’s. Since it was known that these cases were implicit and unknown to us. It was the Archbishop of Boston who implied that these cases are defacto known to us and so are an exception to the dogma and the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Magisterial documents including Vatican Council II mention those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire but no where claims that this is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or that this is the ordinary means of salvation.
Phillip Gray has to accomodate the error of Richard Cushing so it is convenient to say that the Church Fathers must be understood in the context of their writing and write off centuries of consistent interpretation of the dogma and the Church Fathers.

None of the Church Fathers claim that the baptism of desire  was an exception to the dogma. Even St.Thomas Aquinas mentions the man in the forest in ignorance and at the same time says every one needs to enter thte Church for salvation;  the Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood. St.Thomas Aquinas does not imply that the man in the forest in ignorance, and to whom God would send a preacher, is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades

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Many people who claim that God restricts salvation to baptized Catholics cite the Fathers of the Church to prove their assertions. While space does not allow an exhaustive analysis of the Fathers, there are several necessary points to keep in mind. First, the Fathers must be understood in the context of their writings, not in the context of the one quoting them. The majority of the Fathers who wrote on this topic were concerned about those who had once believed or had heard the truth, but now rejected it. Many of them believed the entire world had heard the Gospel. Their words were not directed at those who, by no fault of their own, did not know the Gospel of Christ. –website Catholic Education Resource Center
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0043.html
CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLIES THOSE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE ARE VISIBLE,FR.LEONARD FEENEY WAS EXCOMMUNICATED FOR AFFIRMING THE SAME TEACHING AS SAINTS AND POPES

USCCB NOTIFICATION ON FR.PETER PHAN CONTAINS HERESY AND ECCLESIA DEI, CUF, CATHOLIC ANSWERS AND OTHERS ACCEPT IT

CARDINAL RATZINGER DID NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION AS CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLY






Obituary: Sister Mary Bernadette, M.I.C.M.



http://catholicism.org/obituary-sister-mary-bernadette-m-i-c-m.html#more-25489

SSPX COULD AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II IN PUBLIC AND PLEDGE TO INTERPRET IT ACCORDING TO TRADITION

They can accept Vatican Council II and publicly say that we will choose to affirm it not as the liberals in dissent, but according to Tradition.  
Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), said it in his sermon of December 8: the Roman proposals are at each time more interesting, but in their formulations there remains a point with a bitter taste, that demands before everything else the concession that Vatican II is consistent with the Tradition of the Church. –from Rorate Caeli, Excommunicating Gherardini?

The Left accepts Vatican Council II and interprets it as they wish.

For example they interpret Vatican Council II as a break from the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

SSPX can claim Vatican Council II is in harmony with the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.Since LG 14 and AG 7 teach all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

Lumen Gentum 16 refers to those saved in invincible ignorance and with a good conscience. These are implicit cases and so are not exceptions to the dogma. lLiberals interpret LG 16 as an exception.

The baptism of desire is implicit. The baptism of water is explicit. So it cannot be an exception.

This is an example of accepting Vatican Council II and publicly saying that we will choose to affirm it not as the liberals in dissent, but according to Tradition.
The SSPX could choose to affirm Vatican Council II and decide to interpret it according to Tradition, as they know it.

Vatican Council II is consistent with the Tradition of the Church but not as interpreted by dissenters and a foreign lobby.
-Lionel Andrades