PRIEST SAYS WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Carmelite  in Rome will not comment on St. Teresa of Avila proclaiming all Lutherans are going to Hell which is also indicated by Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentes 14).

At the Church of Santa Maria di Vittoria, Rome is the famous statue of St. Teresa of Avila kneeling in ecstasy with an angel piercing her heart with an arrow. The Carmelite Spanish mystic describes this experience in one of her books. Declared a Doctor of the Church she believed all Protestants, specifying Lutherans, were heretics and on the way to Hell. She believed deep down in their heart, heretics knew they were wrong but continued in their heresy, in their rebellion from the one, true Church of Jesus Christ.

Opposite the extraordinary statue in white marble is the entrance to the extended sacristy and corridor which I entered on August 19, 2011. There was a Carmelite priest who was sitting behind a table answering questions for tourists. Religious books, postcards and relics  were on display there.

“Could I ask you a question? A religious one?” I asked him in Italian. Yes. He nodded. On my left were postcards of the statue. There were also new books written on the saint and her teachings.

“There is the baptism of desire which a non Catholic can receive. This baptism of desire in known only to God. We do not know any particular case”, I asked.

“No, we do not know any such case” replied the elderly priest. I think he said his name was Fr. Pancrazio.

“Neither do we know of any case of a person saved in invincible ignorance” I said aloud.

“Yes we do not know any such case it is only known to God”

It was a hot day in Rome, he had to answer the phone and the good priest had two television security consoles before him. It could have been tiring for him with so many tourists. In the evening he offers Mass.

“So there is nothing in Vatican Council which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?” I asked.

He paused.

“The dogma says everyone must be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Everyone needs to explicitly enter the Church." I continued.

“It does not contradict the dogma” he agreed. He asked me if I was a Catholic.

“So Vatican Council II supports St.Teresa of Avila when she said we must pray for Lutherans since they were going to Hell.?”

Pause. Yes we must  pray for them, he answered.

“Do you believe they are all going to Hell”?

Pause. No answer.

The dogma says all ‘heretics’ need to convert into he Church to avoid Hell, repeated.

Non  Catholics he  replied could be saved with a good conscience; those who follow their conscience.

We agreed that we do not know any such case, I reminded him.

So it does not contradict Vatican Council I (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentes 14). All need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. The baptism of water is given to adults with Catholic Faith. Lutherans do not have Catholic Faith.

He had nothing more to say on this subject.

-Lionel Andrades

JESUIT CHURCHES IN ROME COULD BE NEAR THE SEASIDE

Jesuits churches in Rome could be near the seaside. Tattooed people in shorts and clothes-scant are seen strolling near the tomb of St. Ignatius of Loyola at the Chiesa del Gesu and St. Robert Bellarmine at the Chiesa di Sant Ignazio di Loyola.

They seem like people who had the true faith and have lost it and so are lost if they die immediately (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).Others from Communist countries , un baptized pagans, do not have the ordinary means of salvation; Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7,LG 14).

They commit mortal sins in this state which is expressed in the way they dress. Some of them during Mass could casually walk up and receive the Eucharist.The priest will see them dressed vulgar. He will give them the Eucharist.

It’s a grave sin for the priest since he is knowingly cooperating with an evil and committing a sacrilege.

-Lionel Andrades

Photo young lady between the altars of St.Robert Bellarmine and St. Luigi Gonzaga today morning at the Chiesa di Sant Ignazio di Loyola in Rome.

ITALIAN PRIEST SAYS IMMODESTY IS A SIN BUT WILL CONTINUE GIVING THE EUCHARIST TO THOSE DRESSED IMMODESTLY

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/italian-priest-says-immodesty-is-sin.html

IMMODESTY IN ROMES CHURCHES
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/immodesty-in-romes-churches.html

FOR NATIVES, PAGANS THE ORDINARY WAY OF SALVATION IS CATHOLIC FAITH AND THE BAPTISM OF WATER ( VATICAN COUNCIL II, LG 14,AG 7)

I was talking to a Canadian novice with the Missionaries of Charity Fathers in Rome, some months back, who is studying theology at the Angelicum University, Rome. He asked if the Native Americans before the missionaries arrived there were they lost. Were they in invincible ignorance? Were they all lost forever to Hell?

Yes, in general they were all oriented to Hell since Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary means of salvation (Vatican Council II, AG 7, and LG 14).

If there was anyone among them who led a virtuous life following his good conscience, God could save him by sending a preacher or sending someone to baptize him with water (St. Thomas Aquinas). In ‘certain circumstances’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949) a non Catholic can be saved with the baptism of desire.

In general the American natives needed the baptism of water given to adults with Catholic Faith, for salvation, to avoid Hell. The Catholic Church does not teach that the ordinary way of salvation is invincible ignorance; ‘not knowing the Gospel through no fault of their own’, a good conscience or the baptism of desire.

Those natives who were born before the birth of Jesus and who were saved had to wait in Abraham’s bosom and only after the death and Resurrection of Jesus could go to Heaven as could the Jewish Prophets including Abraham.

Today millions of people who believe in Jesus and live the Gospel within the Catholic Church and who do not die with mortal sin on their soul are taken to heaven. Some directly others via Purgatory.

Jesus has said that the road to Heaven is narrow and few people take it. We should enter through the narrow gate. While the road to Hell is wide and most people take it. Catholic saints have said that most people on earth go to Hell.

-Lionel Andrades

JESUIT RECTOR CONSIDERS BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AS THE ORDINARY MEANS OF SALVATION

The Jesuit Rector at the Chiesa del Gesu Fr.Massimo Morelli yesterday indicated that in reality being saved in invincible ignorance is the ordinary means of salvation.So pagans in Goa, before the arrival of St. Francis of Assisi were in general going to Heaven except for those few who committed crimes.

He is aware that the Catholic Church teaches that Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary way of salvation (AG 7, LG 14).

So in reality Lumen Gentium 15 and 16 is the ordinary way of salvation for him.

This new teaching common among Catholics was expressed by Cardinal Walter Kaspar on a front page article in the L’Osservatore Romano. It was approved by Pope Benedict XVI and Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone. The Chief Rabbi of Israel read it. The reported threat of war with the Vatican ended. So if the Vice Rector of the Chiesa del Gesu had said in reality, in fact, that Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary way of salvation and the Jewish community opposite the Church are oriented to Hell, he could be suspended? So he protects himself, his superior and others? He changes the teaching of the Church and expediently gives up an ex cathedra dogma, extra ecclesiam nulla salus. His superiors do not consider it a mortal sin, allow him to offer Mass and continue in his life style. While they protect their own way of living.

The secular media criticizes St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Francis Xavier, even the Dalai Lama has expressed his dislike for St. Francis Xavier. The Jesuits, for instance, those at the Gregorian University, Rome, would support the secular media’s view, appear liberal while all the time protecting their jobs, earnings and life style.

I met Fr.Massimo Morelli today and asked him if he received my e mail with yesterday’s blog post. He said no. I was expecting  some feedback.