Saturday, July 30, 2011

WE DO NOT KNOW ANYONE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH AS DON BOSCO TAUGHT- Salesian Rector and Parish priest in Rome










The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has not changed and we interpret it just like Don Bosco says Fr. Valero Baressi

Don Valerio Baressi the Salesian Rector and Parish Priest at the Basilica del Sacro Cuore (Basilica of the Sacred Heart) opposite Termini, Rome yesterday Friday evening said we do not know any case of a person saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance. He said everyone with no exception needs to enter the Church formally for salvation, just as Don Bosco taught.

Since implicit cases of salvation were not known to us there is nothing in  Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church, he said, which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

He said we have the same understanding of the extra ecclesiam nulla salus today as during the time of Don Bosco.

I was speaking with him in the sacristy after the 6 p.m evening Mass. This was the second time I spoke to him and he had the same message on outside the Church no salvation.

Over the last two months it has been incredible. So many priests in Rome with the same message as this hardworking parish priest. Most of these priests who endorsed the  centuries  old interpretation of the dogma celebrate Holy Mass in Italian.

They were responding to reason and not to any new theory or theology i.e. they agreed that we do not know of any particular case of implicit salvation. So being saved implicitly through the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance did not conflict with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The dogma says everyone needs to be an explicit formal member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Since we do not know the exceptions (invincible ignorance etc) we so not know anyone; we cannot meet anyone on earth, who contradicts the dogmatic teaching.
So the priests have the same teaching on outside the no church no salvation as the saints St. Francis of Assisi, Maximillian Kolbe, Don Bosco and numerous others.
We can interpret the Catechism and Vatican Council II in accord with Tradition and the dogma. The dogma gives us perspective.We avoid errors like only those who know about the Church and do not enter will go to Hell( as if we can know who does not know and who knows- teh dogma says everyone on earth who does not convert into the Church) or the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 excommunicated for Fr.Leonard Feeney for heresy( in the Letter, Pope Pius XII referred to the 'dogma', the 'infallible' teaching. The dogma indicates that all non Catholics in Boston are oriented to Hell unless they convert into the Church).
-Lionel Andrades






DON VALERIO BARESI AFFIRMS STRICT INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/02/don-valerio-baresi-affirms-strict.html#links