Saturday, July 2, 2011

MORE LIBERAL NOVUS ORDO PRIESTS ARE ACCEPTING EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

They see through the media deception and futile controversies when they realize that the baptism of desire can only be accepted in principle and never known de facto.

I was talking to a visiting priest a few days back, at a small church. He agreed that the baptism of desire was  only known to God. We did not know any case.

We then agreed that in Vatican Council II all the objections against the dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, extra ecclesiam nulla salus, were known only to God. Those in invincible ignorance (Lumen Gentium 16) were known only to God. Those saved by the Word of God were unknown to us.

The  baptism of desire was dejure, accepted only in principle, since it can never be de facto for us, Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct. There is no baptism of desire or blood that we in general can know of. If someone really is a martyr only God can judge. We cannot judge. When the Church declares someone a martyr we accept it.

So with the Fr. Leonard Feeney and Vatican Council II objections removed, we are left with the centuries- old interpretation of extra eccleisam nulla salus. We come to this conclusion based on reason. This is not a new theology.

For  centuries there was no controversy over baptism of desire or invincible ignorance. Since they were always understood to be implicit and did not contradict the dogma which called for explicit baptism of water, for all without exceptions.

Then the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued to the Archbishop of Boston by Pope Pius XII mentions ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible’ teaching. That dogma was Cantate Domino, one of three ex cathedra definitions on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The text of Cantate Domino indicates all Jews and other non Catholic in Boston need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell. This was exactly what Fr.Leonard Feeney taught. So how could he be excommunicated for heresy? The Letter supported him on doctrine. This is contrary to the secular media propaganda.

The message of the Letter and the dogma is the same as Ad Gentes 7, Catechism of the Catholic Church 846, Dominus Iesus 20. This is Vatican Council II and Magisterial documents in accord with Cantate Domino. This has been the positive aspect of this issue.

On what seemed the negative aspect, but is not, Lumen Gentium 16 refers to invincible ignorance which does not contradict the dogma since it is not explicitly known to us.Implicit case are hidden from us.

So rationally we are back to extra ecclesiam nulla salus which the Church has not retracted in any Magisterial document. The Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 can be interpreted in accord with the dogma. CCC 846 on Outside the Church No Salvation says all need to enter the Church as through a door. This was how the Church Fathers described extra ecclesiam nulla salus. CCC’s 846’s reference to those saved implicitly through Jesus and the Church does not contradict the dogma, since we do not know a single person, saved through Jesus and the Church.
-Lionel Andrades


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The Popes through the centuries have defended the doctrine “outside the Church there is no salvation.” Here is small reference of their teachings on the matter:



Ordinary Magisterium


Pope Pelagius II (A.D. 578 – 590): “Consider the fact that whoever has not been in the peace and unity of the Church cannot have the Lord. …Although given over to flames and fires, they burn, or, thrown to wild beasts, they lay down their lives, there will not be (for them) that crown of faith but the punishment of faithlessness. …Such a one can be slain, he cannot be crowned. …[If] slain outside the Church, he cannot attain the rewards of the Church.” (Denzinger 246-247)


Pope Saint Gregory the Great (A.D. 590 – 604): “Now the holy Church universal proclaims that God cannot be truly worshipped saving within herself, asserting that all they that are without her shall never be saved.” (Moralia )


Pope Innocent III (A.D. 1198 – 1216): “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.” (Denzinger 423)


Pope Leo XII (A.D. 1823 – 1829): “We profess that there is no salvation outside the Church. …For the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. With reference to those words Augustine says: `If any man be outside the Church he will be excluded from the number of sons, and will not have God for Father since he has not the Church for mother.’” (Encyclical, Ubi Primum )


Pope Gregory XVI (A.D. 1831 – 1846): “It is not possible to worship God truly except in Her; all who are outside Her will not be saved.” (Encyclical, Summo Jugiter )


Pope Pius IX (A.D. 1846 – 1878): “It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood.” (Denzinger 1647)


Pope Leo XIII (A.D. 1878 – 1903): “This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God’s commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church.” (Encyclical, Annum Ingressi Sumus )


“He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God.” (Encyclical, Sapientiae Christianae )


Pope Saint Pius X (A.D. 1903 – 1914): “It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation.” (Encyclical, Jucunda Sane )


Pope Benedict XV (A.D. 1914 – 1922): “Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.” (Encyclical, Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum )


Pope Pius XI (A.D. 1922 – 1939): “The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation….Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.” (Encyclical, Mortalium Animos )


Pope Pius XII (A.D. 1939 – 1958): “By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth.” (Allocution to the Gregorian, October 17, 1953)


Extraordinary Magisterium


Then, as though to set this constant teaching of the Fathers, Doctors and Popes “in concrete,” so to speak, we have the following definitions from the Solemn Magisterium of the Church:


Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215): “One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful outside which no one at all is saved…”


Pope Boniface VIII in his Papal Bull Unam Sanctam (A.D. 1302): “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”


Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (A.D. 1438 – 1445): “[The most Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart `into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
from the webiste Catholicism.org
Photos (top and middle) Sisters of St.Benedict Center, the community of Fr.Leonard Feeney who have been granted canonical status by the Catholic Church in the diocese of Worcester,USA. (Bottom) The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary who also hold the centuries old understanding of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They are recognized by the Catholic Church in the diocese of Manchester,USA.