Wednesday, June 15, 2011

YOUTUBE VIDEO DOES NOT SAY ALL NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH BUT ONLY THOSE WHO KNOW ABOUT THE CHURCH

Fra. Joseph Mary FFI of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate,USA seems to have  succumbed to the propaganda on the secular media on outside the Church there is no salvation and has produced a video on You tube.

His conclusion is that the Catholic Church is founded by Jesus. Man has a moral obligation to seek out this church and to enter it. He says outside of the True Church there is no salvation. “By this we don’t mean that just because (1:34) someone is not a Catholic there automatically is no hope of salvation”.

“Those are outside the Church who know and are convinced that the Catholic Church is the Church which Jesus founded but still don’t become one of her members. Then secondly those are outside the Church who through their own serious neglect don’t realize that the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus founded and they refuse to even consider the Catholic Church’s claim to be the true Church".

The dogmatic teaching is that all non Catholics need to enter the Church to avoid Hell. This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church for centuries.

The official teaching is that everyone on earth needs to enter the Church and if there is anyone in invincible ignorance as compared to those who ‘know’, then these exceptions will be known only to God.

Those who know and do not enter as compared to those in invincible ignorance are known only to God. The general rule is that every one needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to go to Heaven (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, Dominus Iesus 20 etc). There can be exceptions known only to God.



Fr. Joseph Mary probably believes that Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy. It is not known if he has read the dogma Cantate Domino. Also Lumen Gentium 16’s reference to non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance does not contradict Cantate Domino or Ad Gentes 7.

Those who 'know', those in invincible ignorance and those who are  in partial communion with the Church are cases which can only be accepted by us in principle, as a concept. They can never be de facto for us.

Since they are not de facto known to us they do not contradict the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino which says every one must be a formal member of the Church.

If only those who know and do not enter are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 14) then LG 14 contradicts Ad Gentes 7 which says all people need the baptism of water for salvation. It would also mean that Lumen Gentium 14 contradicts the dogma Cantate Domino on outside the Church there is no salvation.

It doesn't make sense.

It is important that Bro. Joseph read Cantate Domino and compare it with Ad Gentes 7. When he can affirm it then consider the subject, outside the Church there is no salvation.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 says all need to enter the Church as if entering through a door.

So even if there is someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire it does not contradict  CCC 846 that all need to enter the Church as through a door.

CCC 845 repeats St.Thomas Aquinas in saying that the Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood. This is what the secular hostile media calls 'the rigorist interpretation' of the dogma.

There can be only one interpretation and the centuries-old interpretation is the same as Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846.