HUTTON AND MEL GIBSON NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Vatican needs to begin dialogue with traditionalists and sedevacantists

Hutton and Mel Gibson are quoted often on the internet saying only Catholics go to Heaven and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Like Venerable Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 they endorse ‘the dogma’, ‘the infallible teaching’. There views are also the official teaching of the Catholic Church according to Magisterial texts (CCC 845, Dominus Iesus 20 etc).Vatican Council II (LG14, AG 7) has the same message.

Now that the Traditionalist Latin Mass has been regularised in the Catholic Church there could be dialogue with Hutton Gibson and his traditional Catholic Church. According to their quotes on the internet on extra ecclesiam nulla salus they do not claim that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma.

On other Catholic issues, besides the dogma, they have similar views as the Society of St.Pius X who, it has been reported, have been offered an Ordinate by the Vatican.

Unlike the SSPX and the liberals the Church Fathers do not say that those saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire are explicilty known to us or that these are exceptions to the  dogma. The Church Fathers refer to them as a posibility, something known to God.

Neither does Vatican Council II (LG16) say that those saved in invincible ignorance are known to us personally, that they contradict the dogma or, being saved in invincible ignorance is the ordinary means of salvation.

Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7 tell us that the oridnary way of salvation is the Catholic Church. So the Gibsons are in agreement with Vatican Council II.

May be in dialogue it will be observed that they are rejecting the non traditional interpretation of Vatican Council II; the politically correct version.

Let a representative of the Vatican begin dialogue with the sedevacantists and let it be videotaped for all Catholics to see.It would be useful for us to know  who believes in what. For example in the closed door dialogue with the Society of St.Pius X one of the Vatican representatives was the present Rector of the Angelicum,the University of St.Thomas Aquinas University in Rome. The Rector is  Fr.Charles Morerod, O.P. a Swiss Dominican priest and professor of dogmatic theology.He rejects the traditional teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He considers Fr.Leonard Feeney excommunicated for heresy.He believes those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicitly known and so contradict the dogma. He was the moderator of a thesis presented by an Italian diocesan priest on this subject.The errors were approved and the priest was granted a Licentiate.

It is this interpretation of Vatican Council II that Hutton Gibson rejects and so also rejects the papacy which he believes his promoting these false non Catholic, new doctrines in the name of Vatican Council II.

The Vatican has greeted the Hindus on their feast of Deepvali (Oct 26) and mentioned the importance of the freedom of religious worship and expression. The Vatican could also give that same freedom to Hutton Gibson within the Catholic Church.

-Lionel Andrades