Tuesday, November 9, 2010

FRANCISCAN FRIARS OF THE IMMACULATE CLAIM POPE NOT INFALLIBLE EX CATHEDRA ?

The Franciscan Friars  of the Immaculate are holding a seminar in Italy next month on the interpretation of Vatican Council II as a continuation of Tradition. They are however openly rejecting the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra and are interpreting extra ecclesiam nulla salus as a break from Tradition. They have made available their very controversial book in Italian, at the Church of the Annunziata, Lungotevere, Rome.The book published and printed by the Italian founder of the community Fr. Stefano Manelli F.I suggests Pope Pius XII contradicted the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino.

The American Rector of the Church, who has placed the book for distribution , also says that we can know actual cases of the baptism of desire. So Lumen Gentium 16 refers not to  explicit. knowable baptism of desire. This is a rejection of the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is using the ‘Spirit of Vatican II’ interpretation of Lumen Gentium 16 to reject the Cantate Domino and extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is the very antithesis of the seminary the community is organizing next month.

Te Italian writer-translator of the book observes that in the first century there was another interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and now there is another. He acknowledges ‘the difficulty’.The ‘difficulty’ refers to his rejection in the present times of the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra. He has offered a new and heretical interpretation in the book.

In Chapter 23 of the book he suggests Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy .If Fr. Feeney was excommunicate for heresy, then it means the Cantate Domino, ex cathedra, is fallible. The Council of Florence made a mistake ex cathedra?

Here is the ex cathedra teaching.

The Italian writer says those who do not have their names in a parish register equally ‘belong’ to the Church or are ‘being oriented’ to the Church in a way that satisfactorily meets all the conditions for salvation.
. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedrafrom the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/


Yet these people who do not have their names in a Parish register and who are saved are known only to God. Only God alone knows such  cases explicilty . For us it is always implicit (hidden).If it is implicit for us then how can it really be an exception to Cantate Domino?

If you do not know any human being in the present time who is saved and does not have his name in the Parish Register, why mention it?

How can you suggest that the pope is infallible ex cathedra when you do not know a single case of someone being saved in this exceptional category? Do we know anyone for sure who ‘equally belongs’ to the Church or is ‘being oriented’ towards the Church in this exceptional category’

The American Rector of the Church of the Annunziata uses the ‘defacto-defacto’ analysis of Magisterial text instead of a ‘defacto-dejure’ analysis. Hence often he is up against a wall hitting the Principle of Non Contradiction. Then he suggests it is the official teaching of the Church. An official teaching opposed to the infallible teaching? He suggests the Magisterium contradicts itself?

This would be heresy.

Note, an interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II according to Tradition, which is not a subject included in the seminar, could consider the following points.

There is no Magisterial text which contradicts Cantate Domino.

1. Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston 1949 supported Fr.Leonard Feeney when he referred to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible’ teaching. The dogma- text indicates all Jews in Boston need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. There were no exceptions. This is exactly what Fr. Leonard Feeney taught so how could he be in heresy?

2. The dogma and Fr. Leonard Feeney does not refer to non Catholics being saved with the baptism of desire or blood, invincible ignorance or a good conscience. Understandably! De facto everybody needs to enter the Church (Cantate Domino) and de jure (in principle) if there is anyone saved with the baptism of desire etc it would be known only to God. These cases by their very nature are explicit only for God. We can only speak about them in principle as a concept.We do not know if there exists even a single case of the baptism of desire in 2010 in Rome.

3. Since we cannot judge whom God will judge as being in invincible ignorance then Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II cannot refer to explicit, knowable invincible ignorance. So LG 16 does not contradict Cantate Domino.

So there is no Magisterial teaching which contradicts the infallibility of the pope ex cathedra.

The seminar is Concilio Ecumenico Vaticano II - Un Concilio Pastorale analisi storico-filosofico-teologica,Convegno di studi sul Concilio Vaticano II, per una sua giusta ermeneutica alla luce della Tradizione della Chiesa.
 It will be held in Rome 16-18 December (fifirenze@immacolata.ws , fficassino@immacolata.com
Convegno sul Concilio Vaticano IIhttp://www.catholicafides.blogspot.com/ )

LIONEL'S E-NEWS FOR THE WEEK OCT 31- NOV.6, 2010 : VATICAN RECOGNIZES FR.LEONARD FEENEY'S COMMUNITIES WHO HOLD THE 'RIGORIST INTERPRETATION' OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

LIONEL'S E-NEWS FOR THE WEEK OCT 31- NOV.6, 2010

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 2010
VATICAN RECOGNIZES FR.LEONARD FEENEY'S COMMUNITIES WHO HOLD THE 'RIGORIST INTERPRETATION' OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 2010
ARCHDIOCESE OF SYDNEY PRIEST PLACES NEUTRAL QUOTATION FROM PIUS IX ON BLOG: UNABLE TO CITE MAGISTERIAL TEXTS, SETS BAD EXAMPLE FOR PRO ABORTION CATHOLICS

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2010
ARCHDIOCESE OF SYDNEY PRIEST STILL CANNOT CITE MAGISTERIAL TEXT: COULD BE TAKEN TO COURT FOR ‘FAKING IT’


ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-CATHOLIC MISSION OFFICE TO THE JEWS AND GENTILES IN ROME

…but he that believeth not shall be condemned.’-Mark 16:16

Lionel Andrades, Catholic layman

LIONEL'S E-NEWS FOR THE WEEK OCT 24-30, 2010 : FR. JOHN FLYNN SYDNEY ARCHDIOCESE SAYS WE CANNOT KNOW ANY PARTICULAR CASE OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

MONDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2010
MONS.IGNACIO BARREIRO CARAMBULA, INTERIM PRESIDENT,HUMAN LIFE INTERNATIONAL,USA SAYS "We don't know any case of the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.Only Jesus can judge"

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 26, 2010
SYDNEY PRIESTS CLASH

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2010
VATICAN : AN INJUSTICE IS BEING DONE TO THE MOST HOLY FAMILY MONASTERY , RECONCILIATION NEEDED

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2010
WILL CARDINAL PELL SIDE WITH THE PRIEST WHO SAYS WE CAN JUDGE WHO HAS THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE ?

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2010
SYDNEY PRIEST AFFIRMS ALL THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH IT IS CLAIMED (CHURCH WITHOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND MORTAL SIN AND WITH SACRILEGOUS MASS?)

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2010
SYDNEY PRIEST BLOCKS REPORT VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS ALL MUSLIMS, JEWS IN ROME, ITALY ARE GOING TO HELL

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 29, 2010
FR. JOHN FLYNN SYDNEY ARCHDIOCESE SAYS WE CANNOT KNOW ANY PARTICULAR CASE OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 30, 2010
ECCLESIA DEI, VATICAN MUST CLARIFY DE FACTO AND DE JURE ANALYSIS IN MAGISTERIAL TEXTS FOR DIALOGUE WITH SEDEVACANTISTS MHFM

ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-CATHOLIC MISSION OFFICE TO THE JEWS AND GENTILES IN ROME

…but he that believeth not shall be condemned.’-Mark 16:16
Lionel Andrades, Catholic layman
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