No clarification on earlier reports and comments
Jeff Mirus, President of CatholicCulture.org writes in a new report on their website:
‘We cannot assume just because someone has heard about Jesus Christ or encountered the Catholic Church that these things have impinged upon his consciousness in such a way that he has entertained them as truths.’
The Church has always taught that those who have had the Gospel preached to them and yet do not enter are on the way of to Hell (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).
So if there is any exception, someone who has not had things preached ‘impinged upon his consciousness in such a way that he has entertained them as truths’ then it would be known to God.Mirus makes the exception the rule and changes the teaching.
He writes on Sound Off! Comments on Salvation for Non-Catholics (August 10, 2010)
We are lost in the depths of human psychology here. God alone knows who has held back (Catholic or otherwise) when his mind, heart and conscience have been animated by the truth, and who—in contrast—simply never recognized these gifts of our salvation as truths no matter what his exposure to them has been. We don’t know, and we can make no judgments as to the numbers in either camp.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II state all who know about the Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter are on the way to Hell. The Church is the ordinary way of salvation.
The Catholic Culture.org President is saying we do not know, we can make no judgments. We do not know in individual cases of course, but the Church inspired by the Holy Spirit tells us that informed non Catholics who are disobbediently outside the Church are on the way to Hell. So we do know!
Now he has given us a new doctrine that those who know about the Catholic Church and yet do not enter are not necessarily going to Hell.
In his original controversial report he mentioned that Feeneyites 'flatly reject the Baptism of desire'. I sent him a definition of the Baptism of Desire (BOD) from the website of the St. Benedict Centre, NH,USA(Catholicism.org). SBC accept BOD in principle and as a concept.Explicit Baptism of desire is only known to God. We do not know if there is in principle any Baptism of desire during our lifetime. There is no de facto Baptism of Desire that we can know of or see externally. There has been no comment or clarification from CatholicCulture.org as if this is their political position.
I sent him the actual text of the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (see copy below)which indicates that everyone needs to be a visible, formal member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. This is obvious from the text yet he denies it. He also claims that the Church in Magisterial Documents does not ‘say or understand it this way’. He provided no references.
CatholicCulture.org's interpretation of Vatican Council II is according to the Jewish Left media and is not the only interpretation available. It is also a break from tradition and dogmatic teachings of the Church.
Mirus represents Trinity Communications.
According to the Internet Trinity Communications is an advertising company based in England. It is not known is Mirus represents them in the USA.
Trinity Communications has placed a propaganda-piece that is factually wrong, on the Internet titled: The Tragic Errors of Fr. Leonard Feeney by Fr.william Most. Whenever you access Google for information on Fr. Leonard Feeney you’re exposed to this article always prominently placed. Even though there are many new reports by different people on Fr.Leonard Feeney this report always comes up prominently.
We do not know who is the original client or person that wants this report placed for people seeking information on Fr. Leonard Feeney.
The late Fr. William Most makes the same ‘mistakes’ as CatholicCulture.org (assuming it is not a political/ideological piece).The report says:
What the disobedient Feeney said amounted to this: he insisted that all who did not formally enter the Church would go to hell.
This is what the dogma text actually says! This has been the belief of popes, Councils and saints for centuries.
The Trinity Communications Fr.William Most report further says:
Further, all adults who did not formally enter the Church - get their names on a parish register - would also go to hell, even if they never had a chance to hear there was a Church, e.g., those in the western hemisphere during the long centuries before Columbus.
Therefore Feeney consigned literally millions upon millions to hell,even though He gave them no chance.
Correct this was the teaching of the ex cathedra dogma.It was not created originally by Fr. Leonard Feeney. St.Maximillian Kolbe also taught it in that very century.
Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) indicates millions of non Catholics in cities like Rome are on the way to Hell. However Mirus says no (see quotation above).
The Fr.William Most report placed by Trinity Communications on the Internet (for EWTN) calls the ex cathedra definitions on this issue as ‘restrictive texts’. Restrictive!
Church Fathers who mention the possibility of non Catholics being saved even though they are not in the Catholic Church Most and Mirus consider as the ordinary way of salvation. Similarly Jeff Mirus considers the exceptions mentioned in Dei Verbum, Lumen Gentium 16 etc as the ordinary rule and contradicting the infallible teaching.
This is not the teaching of the Catholic Church past and present and with the help of advertising companies and the Jewish Left media we are being given new interpretations of Vatican Council II and the ex cathedra dogma.
Here is the infallible teaching.
1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.
2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.
3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS
http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/
The ex cathedra teaching says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church.
...it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.). Ex Cathedra
...none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation…
...No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” - (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex Cathedra
CatholicCulture.org denies that the above infallible teaching says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church with no exception.
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