Sunday, August 8, 2010

Lionel's E-News for the week Aug.8-12,, 2010 : PRIEST IN CARDINAL ANGELO BAGNASCO’S DIOCESE CRITICIZES TRIDENTINE RITE MASS /FEENYISM IS THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: SECULAR MEDIA STRUGGLES WITH DISINFORMATION

Lionel's E-News for the week Aug.8-12,, 2010


MONDAY, AUGUST 2, 2010


FEENYISM IS THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: SECULAR MEDIA STRUGGLES WITH DISINFORMATION
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/08/feenyism-is-official-teaching-of-he.html


FRIDAY, AUGUST 6, 2010


PRIEST IN CARDINAL ANGELO BAGNASCO’S DIOCESE CRITICIZES TRIDENTINE RITE MASS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/08/priest-in-cardinal-angelo-bagnascos.html


FRIDAY, AUGUST 6, 2010


VIDEO FOOTAGE SHOWS CUSHING APPROVED INNOVATIONS FOR HOLY MASS LONG BEFORE VATICAN COUNCIL II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/08/video-footage-shows-cushing-approved.html


SATURDAY, AUGUST 7, 2010


TIME MAGAZINE CIRCULATES FALSE INFORMATION ON CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHING
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/08/time-magazine-circulates-false.html


ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-CATHOLIC MISSION OFFICE TO THE JEWS AND GENTILES IN ROME

…but he that believeth not shall be condemned.’-Mark 16:16

Lionel Andrades, Catholic layman

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Jeffrey Mirus President of CatholicCulture.org denies that the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus states everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church

Jeffrey Mirus President of CatholicCulture.org denies that the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus states everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church. In an e-mail message to me he writes ‘this is not what the dogma says or means, as many teachings of the Magisterium make clear’. He has not cited any teachings.

In a review of his report on CatholicCulture.org it was mentioned that there were two interpretations of Vatican Council II. Mirus has chosen one which contradicts the dogma.


His e mail says:

Lionel: Even those of us who support Fr. Leonard Feeney agree there is a possibility of non Catholics being saved ‘in certain circumstances’(Letter of the Holy Office 1949).This is not in conflict with the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus . The dogma says everyone needs to be an explicit, visible member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell and there are no exceptions. So everyone needs to be a formal member of the Church to avoid Hell, the infallible teaching says, and, we know if there is anyone with invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire or blood or a good conscience it will be known only to God.

Lionel,

No, sorry, this is not what the dogma says or means, as many teachings of the Magisterium make clear.

Jeff Mirus

Trinity Communications

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Jeffrey A. Mirus, Ph.D.,Trinity Communications,Trinity Consulting,Fax 703-636-7654,jmirus@trincomm.org

Jeffrey Mirus also contradicts a report by Brian Kelly which quotes the actual dogma.
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Jeff Mirus Uses Vatican II and Saint Paul to Contradict Defined Dogma on Salvation

by Brian Kelly August 06th, 2010

I wonder sometimes why conservative Catholic thinkers like Dr. Mirus find the literal sense of the dogma, No Salvation Outside the Church, so distasteful. They have no problem giving an “uncertain sound” on their trumpets by giving non-Catholics a hope for salvation where they are: outside the Church. And they call this “charity.” Charity rejoices in the truth, Saint Paul teaches, and what Jeff Mirus has written in his column for today is not the truth. It is an affront to charity. For now, my refutation will be to post the teaching of an infallible doctrinal council (Vatican II, as every theologian knows, and several popes have affirmed, was not a defining council). The reader can easily see that what Mirus alleges to be the teaching of Vatican II contradicts the teaching of the Council of Florence and Eugene IV’s bull Cantate Domino, which was issued during the council in 1441.

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”
Catholic Culture reports: The Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation (Dei Verbum) cites St. Paul’s letter to the Romans when it asserts the possibility for salvation for non-Catholics and even for non-Christians. The assertion is made in the process of explaining the stages of Revelation. I’ve argued many times that this possibility has always been held by the Church. Indeed, the Letter to the Romans shows that a proper understanding of the question was already outlined in Sacred Scripture itself.( Catholicism.org )
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Here is the actual ex cathedra dogma referred to by Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office in 1949 and which Fr.Leonard Feeney affirmed.


1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/

The ex cathedra teaching says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church.

...it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.). Ex Cathedra

...none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation…

...No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” - (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex Cathedra
Catholic Culture denies that the above infallible teaching says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church with no exception.

There is a report in TIMES Monday, Oct. 13, 1952 which is available on the internet (Religion:I Preach Hatred). It criticizes Fr. Leonard Feeney. It says the Archbishop of Boston suspended the Jesuit priest because 'he took literally the Catholic doctrine that “outide the church there is no salvation” i.e insisting that everyone who is not a good Cathlolic will go to hell. '

Yet this was the text of the Catholic ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which TIME would dare not publish. It indicates all Jews and other non Catholics are on the path to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church, the only Church of the Jewish Messiah with whom God made an everlasting Covenant for all time. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/08/time-magazine-circulates-false.html

Catholic Culture suggests that this is the teaching of the Catholic Magisterium but does not cite any document.

Note: There are can be two intrerpretations of Vatican Council II

1. According to Jeffrey Mirus and the Jewish Left media.
The ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says everybody needs to be an explicit member of the Church and there are no exceptions however according to Dei Verbum ,Lumen Gentium 16 etc a person can be saved who is not a member of the Catholic Church. So Vatican Council II refutes or contradicts the infallible teaching.

2. According to Lionel Andrades in accord with the dogma and Tradition.
The ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says everybody needs to be an explicit member of the Church and there are no exceptions and if a person is saved who is not a member of the Catholic Church (LG 16,Vatican Council II etc) then this will be known only to God. So Vatican Council II does not contradict the infallible teaching.

The dogma carries the same message as Dominus Iesus 20.


20. From what has been stated above, some points follow that are necessary for theological reflection as it explores the relationship of the Church and the other religions to salvation.

Above all else, it must be firmly believed that “the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door”.77 This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”... '
Feenyism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church at the time of Fr.Leonard Feeney and even today.

Dominus Iesus indicates that Feeneyism is the ordinary path of salvation (Redemptoris Missio 55).There is no theology which can say that non Catholic religions are paths to salvation (CDF, Notification,Dupuis 2001).So if someone is saved in another religion it is known only to God. The Church still teaches that everyone needs to be an explicit member of the Catholic Church for salvation.


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SOCIETY OF ST. PIUS X INTERPRETS HAEC SUPREMA ACCORDING TO ZIONISTS AND ARCHBISHOP CUSHING OF BOSTON

Fr. Leonard Feeney’s religious communities in the USA reject the Times, Newsweek and New York Times version of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (Haec Suprema) supported Fr. Leonard Feeney who was in accord with the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesia nulla salus, which says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. There are no exceptions and also there is no mention of an explicit Baptism of Desire in the text of the dogma, defined by three different popes and Councils and affirmed by Dominus Iesus 20 and other Church Documents.

The first part of the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney refers to doctrine and the second part to discipline. Yet the two are mixed by the media and Catholics.


The first half the Letter affirms the ‘dogma’ the ‘infallible’ teaching .The text of that dogma, that infallible teaching supports Fr. Feeney. It indicates everyone needs to be a visible member of the Church and there are no exceptions. (See the text of the dogma at the end of this report).Neither does it say there is an ‘explicit’ Baptism of desire or that it is an exception.

So how can Fr. Leonard Feeney be in heresy?

The second half of the Letter accuses Fr. Feeney of being disobedient. Time has shown that it was the Archbishop of Boston Richard Cushing who gave us a new doctrine. It said: everybody needs to enter the church except for those with the Baptism of Desire, in invincible ignorance etc. This is heresy. He and the Jesuits were saying that everyone does not have to be a visible member of the Catholic Church and there was such a thing as an explicit baptism of desire etc.

He never issued a clarification when the Boston newspapers reported that the Church had changed its centuries-old teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Even after he received the Letter he did not lift the excommunication on Fr. Feeney. He also had an important role in Vatican Council II and Lumen Gentium 16 reflects his and the Jesuits influence. He prohibited Catholics in his diocese from receiving the Sacraments at the St. Benedict Center all because of doctrine!? He did not object when the Jesuits removed Fr. Feeney from their religious community for being faithful to the centuries old dogma of the popes and saints. The memoirs of the late Sen. Edward Kennedy mention that it was his brother Robert who asked Cardinal Cushing to suppress Fr. Leonard Feeney. Ted Kennedy was present when the important phone call was made.

St. Maximillian Kolbe says that if your Superior teaches heresy you are not obliged to obey. Fr. Leonard Feeney and St. Benedict centre rightly disobeyed.


In 1949 the Vatican (Holy Office) and Catholics believed that a cardinal was faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church. In 2010 we know it is not necessarily true.

However, the Lumen Gentium 16 text is neutral and it can be interpreted in harmony with the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So the efforts of the dissenters in Boston have failed.


Secondly, the cardinal’s explicit Baptism of Desire is explicit for God only. We do not know if there ever was an explicit Baptism of desire in our lifetime.

Finally, assuming Fr. Feeney was in heresy, as the secular media allege, how can the ordinary Magisterium of a pope, or, a cardinal’s (Ottaviani) statement supersede and contradict an ex cathedra dogma, in this case, thrice defined ?

So the Catholic Church’s teaching remains unchanged: Everyone needs Catholic Faith with the Baptism of water to go to Heaven and avoid Hell and if there is someone in genuine invincible ignorance etc it will be known only to God.

The Letter’s portion on discipline/disobedience must not be confused with the earlier section on doctrine/dogma. It was included in the Denzinger Enchiridion based on a report in the magazine Ecclesiastical Review. It was not included in the Acta Apostolica Sedis and neither did it have the signature of the Prefect of the Vatican Congregation.

Since the 1950’s the Jewish Left media have a uniform policy on this issue.

Propaganda
Propaganda 1.They claim Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated because of his literal interpretation of the dogma .The media have created a phrase ‘rigorist interpretation’, as if there could be two interpretations of an ex cathedra dogma defined three times.

Propaganda 2. They claim Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 16 etc) refers to explicit Baptism of Desire and invincible ignorance and that Fr. Leonard Feeney denies an explicit Baptism of Desire and so do his religious communities in the USA. They are in heresy is the consistent propaganda of the Jewish Left dominated media.

The Society of St. Pius X website and a book by Fr. Laisney sold by the SSPX Press and advertised on the internet, have also swallowed the above mentioned Zionist interpretation of the dogma, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and claims of Fr. Leonard Feeney being in heresy.



Here is the text of the ex cathedra dogma. It indicates that Propaganda 1 is just propaganda.
Here is the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/
The ex cathedra teaching says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church.

...it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.). Ex Cathedra

...none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation…

...No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” - (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex Cathedra
The dogma above carries the same message as Dominus Iesus 20.

20. From what has been stated above, some points follow that are necessary for theological reflection as it explores the relationship of the Church and the other religions to salvation.

Above all else, it must be firmly believed that “the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door”.77 This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”.78

The Church is the “universal sacrament of salvation”,79 since, united always in a mysterious way to the Saviour Jesus Christ, her Head, and subordinated to him, she has, in God's plan, an indispensable relationship with the salvation of every human being.80 For those who are not formally and visibly members of the Church, “salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church, but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit”;81 it has a relationship with the Church, which “according to the plan of the Father, has her origin in the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit”.82 -Dominus Iesus 20 (Emphasis added)
Propaganda 2 refers to explicit Baptism of Desire. The Baptism of Desire is only explicit for God. For us it is only a concept. We do not know any de facto case of the Baptism of Desire. So how can we say anyone needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance when we do not know a single explicit or implicit case of the Baptism of desire or invincible ignorance? Neither do we know who God will judge as having a good conscience on the Day of Judgment. So rationally Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct. There is no explicit Baptism of Desire.


So Lumen Gentium 16 does not contradict the dogma. LG 16 refers to implicit, not external, baptism of desire known only to God.This is commonsense not theology.


On the website of the Fr. Leonard Feeney’s community(Catholicism.org) is a definition of the Baptism of desire which they accept in principle. So how can they be accused of rejecting the Baptism of desire which is never external? It is unknown to any of us.

The Society of St. Pius X needs to admit their error and issue a clarification on the interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The SSPX praised Pope Pius X and Cardinal Ottaviani. So they must not assume that Cardinal Ottaviani issued a Letter, which contradicted the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14).

The SSPX is critical of Fr. Leonard Feeney’s community’s rejection of the Letter. If the Letter is interpreted in accord with the dogma and Vatican Council II, the St. Benedict Center would not be critical but welcome the correct interpretation. The Letter of the Holy Office supports Fr.Leonard Feeney since it affirms the dogma. The text of the dogma supports Fr.Leonard  Feeney.
This is also the belief of the community of men and women in the USA who  affirm Vatican Council II and the ex cathedra dogma and some of them have been granted canonical status in the diocese of Worcester,USA by the Catholic Church.
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