IL CONCILIO VATICANO II DICE EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Il Concilio Vaticano II dice che fuori della Chiesa Cattolica non c’e salvezza. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Sorpreso?

La Chiesa Cattolica insegna dopo il Concilio Vaticano II (1965) che tutta la gente ha bisogno di entrare nella Chiesa Cattolica per andare in cielo ( Ad Gentes 7, Concilio Vaticano II).

La Fede Cattolica con il Battesimo dell'acqua è la via normale, senso ordinario di salvezza per tutta la gente (Lumen Gentium 14, Concilio Vaticano II).

La Chiesa Cattolica è il senso ordinario di salvezza per tutta la gente (Lumen Gentium 14). Tuttavia i non cattolici possono essere salvi con i mezzi straordinari di salvezza (Lumen Gentium 16).

Soltanto il Dio conosce chi sono i non-Cattolici salvi con i mezzi straordinari di salvezza; le eccezioni. Noi non conosciamo chi sono le eccezioni.

Noi non possiamo giudicare. Gesù, la Chiesa, la Sacra Scrittura e il Concilio Vaticano II indicano che la priorità è la Fede Cattolica e il Battesimo dell'acqua per tutte le genti.

Così tutto deve entrare nella Chiesa Cattolica che è simile al l'unica Arca di Noè che risparmia nell'inondazione (CCC).

Le religioni non cattoliche hanno buone cose;tuttavia non sono percorsi di salvezza.

Tutta la salvezza viene attraverso Gesù e il suo Mistico Corpo, la Chiesa. Quei non-Cattolici che conoscono le informazioni di cui, sopra, ma non entrano nella Chiesa sono orientate verso l’inferno ( Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14). Quei non-Cattolici che partecipano all'Inter religioso dialogo, sono istruiti,sanno che sono orientati verso l’inferno. Fai evangelizzazione!

Fuori della Chiesa non c’è salvezza. La Fede Cattolica e il battesimo dell'acqua sono necessari per tutte le genti. Ciò è il Concilio Vaticano II.

Nessun parte di Nostra Aetate, Concilio Vaticano II ha detto che le religioni non cattoliche sono percorse a salvezza. Il Concilio Vaticano II è nell'armonia con Giovanni 3:5, i Padri della Chiesa,i Concili ex-cathedra, il Concilio di Firenze, Evangelii Nuntiandi, Redemptoris Missio, Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica, Dominus Iesus, la Congregazione della Dottrina della Fede, Vaticano, Notificazione sul Don. Jacques Dupuis S.J. ecc.

Non lasci la gente imbrogliarlo sul Concilio Vaticano II. Controlli i particolari.

Affermi la fede che non cambia. Gesù ha denominato la Chiesa Cattolica “… la mia Chiesa…”. Ha detto a San Pietro che sarebbe prevalso contro Satana e sarebbe stata per tutto il tempo.

IL CONCILIO VATICANO II DICE TUTTI I MUSULMANI ED EBREI A ROMA E IN ITALIA SONO SUL VIA D'INFERNO

Il Concilio Vaticano II indica che tutti i musulmani ed ebrei a Roma e in Italia sono sul via d’inferno. La Bibbia, la Chiesa e il Concilio Vaticano II dicono che gli ebrei e i musulmani devono convertire in Chiesa Cattolica per andare a cielo. Tutti. Ad Gentes 7 dice che la Fede Cattolica e il battesimo dell’acqua ha bisogno tutti per salvezza. Tutto significa tutto senza le eccezioni.

È dunque necessario che tutti si convertano al Cristo conosciuto attraverso la predicazione della Chiesa, ed a lui e alla Chiesa, suo corpo, siano incorporati attraverso il battesimo (39). Cristo stesso infatti, « ribadendo espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Mc 16,16; Gv 3,5), ha confermato simultaneamente la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano, per così dire, attraverso la porta del battesimo…- Ad Gentes 7,Concilio Vaticano II

Ad Gentes 7 inoltre dice che coloro sanno circa Gesù e la Chiesa Cattolica ma non entrano sono sul senso a inferno. In Italia i musulmani e gli ebrei sanno circa Gesù e la Chiesa Cattolica. È un peccato mortale di fede quando non entrano nella chiesa cattolica.

non possono salvarsi quegli uomini i quali, pur sapendo che la Chiesa cattolica è stata stabilita da Dio per mezzo di Gesù Cristo come istituzione necessaria, tuttavia rifiutano o di entrare o di rimanere in essa…-Ad Gentes 7,Concilio Vaticano II

Perciò non possono salvarsi quegli uomini, i quali, pur non ignorando che la Chiesa cattolica è stata fondata da Dio per mezzo di Gesù Cristo come necessaria, non vorranno entrare in essa o in essa perseverare…- Lumen Gentium 14,Concilio Vaticano II.

Così chieda al vostro sacerdote di parrocchia perché lo non fa parlare a questo proposito? Tanta gente sta andando a inferno e non parla o non scrive a questo proposito?

-Lionel Andrades a Roma
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Dear Lionel Andrades,


Your Ask-A-Franciscan question has been answered.

Question:

VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS ALL MUSLIMS, JEWS IN ROME, ITALY ARE GOING TO HELL ? Contrary to what your parish priest has been saying Vatican Council II indicates that all Muslims and Jews in Rome and Italy are on the way to Hell. So get this message across to the people so that they can conduct Catholic Mission and Evangelization based on the truth. Do not hide it from Catholics in the parishes that the Bible, the Church and of course Vatican Council II says Jews and Muslims need to convert into the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. All of them. The Council says this is in two important places .In Ad Gentes 7 it says

all people need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for salvation. All means everyone with no exceptions. Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.

Then Ad Gentes 7 also says those who know about Jesus and the Catholic Church and yet do not enter are on the way to Hell. In Italy Muslims and Jews know about Jesus and the Catholic Church. It is a mortal sin of faith when they do not enter the Catholic Church.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

So ask your parish priest why has he not spoken on this subject? Is he trying to protect someone? So many people are going to Hell and he does not speak or write about it? Is he protecting himself?
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/03/vatican-council-ii-say-all-muslims-jews.html

Lionel Andrades, Catholic layman
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Answer:


Dear Lionel, Peace! It is simply NOT TRUE that the Catholic Church, in Vatican II, or ANYWHERE, teaches that Muslims and Jews are going to hell!!! I am sorry that your information is so lacking in the truth. I am so sorry that you seem to have such strong feelings of hatred for the Church. I hope you will receive the grace to be more open to the truth, and find greater peace.


Thank you for visiting Ask-A-Franciscan. Peace and all good!


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CARDINAL BERNARD FRANCIS LAW CITES MYSTICI CORPORIS OF POPE PIUS XII WHO ENDORSED THE EX CATHEDRA DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IN 1949

On Holy Saturday Cardinal Bernard Francis Law Archpriest Basilica of St.Mary Majors, Rome mentioned specifically Pope Pius XII’s encyclical on the Mystical Body of Jesus, which is the Catholic Church (Mystici Corporis) .The cardinal prayed that the Jews, whom he mentioned specifically among all people, be baptized and so join the Chosen People (“popolo eletto”); the Elect, the Catholic Church. In his homily at that Easter vigil (April 3,2010 ) he emphasized the necessity of the Catholic Church for the salvation of all people; all people who enter the Catholic Church.

The cardinal’s message was that Catholics are the ‘chosen people’ of God. He said one cannot separate Jesus from the Catholic Church. Jesus in the Catholic Church is the only way to God the Father. Salvation is available for all baptized persons who enter the Catholic Church. To be saved all people need to worship Jesus in the Catholic Church. He cited various popes.

It is important to note that during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XII the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney was sent. The Letter referred to the ‘dogma’ extra ecclesiam nulla salus and stated that it was an ‘infallible’teaching.

According to the Letter all non Catholics in Boston need to enter the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Jesus to avoid Hell.

Here is the ex cathedra dogma.

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.).

2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.).

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS) http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholiicchurch.blogspot.com/
Also see Pascendi’s Catholic Forum(Thread: EENS debate on Patrick Madrids Blog) ---FORUM-- Pascendi-http://pascendi2.websitetoolbox.com/

The dogma supported Fr.Leonard Feeney who said that all Jews in Boston need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions that we can know of. This also seems the message of the former Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Bernard Francis Law.

This would then be a contradiction of other cardinals, Kaspar,Bagnasco and Bertone.

The Prefect of the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI) Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco recently called for an opposition to abortion. His statement was on the front page of local newspapers and reported in the context of the elections in the province of Lazio, in which Rome is situated.

Last Sept.22 Cardinal Bagnasco issued a directive by CEI stating that the Revised Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews was not for their conversion and that Jews do not have to convert n the present times. This is a negation of the Bible and a rejection of the ex cathedra infallible dogma outside the Church there is no salvation (extra ecclesiam nulla salus). The dogma is supported by the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II.

Cardinal Bagnasco, like Cardinal Bertone the Vatican Secretary of State, seemed like a pregnant mother who chooses an abortion out of social or economic pressure.

Cardinal Bagnasco and Cardinal Bertone were under pressure from the Jewish Left lobby in Italy backed by the political and military strength of Israel (and the USA). This is harassment based on religion and contrary to Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II which is made much of by the Jewish Left media. It also created confusion for Catholics last Good Friday. There was no clarification or contradiction from the Vatican this Good Friday.

Bagnasco’s message was that we Catholics do not have to live the ex cathedra dogma that everyone with no exception needs to enter the Catholic Church and there is no baptism of desire or invincible ignorance that we can know of.

In Bagnasco statement last Sept.22 we are told that the Catholic Church’s infallible teaching no more holds. So this is not the one, true Church of God. So everyone does not have to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, necessarily, including that on abortion.

This is contribution to the ‘culture of death’.

Even at another level in Rome, Mons. Ignacio Barreiro, Director of the Human Life International Office, Rome will not support the ex cathedra dogma.

May be he sees the connection between this infallible teaching and abortion but is afraid to speak about it in public otherwise- he could lose all his privileges and his lifestyle permitted temporarily by the pro-heresy Vicariate in Rome.He offers  the Tridentine Rite Mass in Rome on Sundays for members of the Militia Christi.

So if Bagnasco, Bertone and Barreiro can make personal exceptions regarding an infallible teaching then why expect something different from politicins and Catholics who need to abort. The cardinals have never ever said that they are all-including themselves- in mortal sin and so would be on their way to Hell.

Cardinal Bernard Francis LawCardinal Bernard Francis Law, presently emeritus Archbishop of Boston was exceptional . His welcome homiliy on Holy Saturday was on the First Saturday of the Month dedicated to Our Lady and it was in the biggest basilica in Rome dedicated to the Blessed Mother, the destroyer of all heresies.

(Abortion pictures from the website of Priests for Life )

LUTHERANS NEED TO ENTER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO AVOID HELL

De facto every one needs to enter the Catholic Church, Jesus’ Mystical Body to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions (that we can know of).If one says there can be de facto exceptions it would  contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, CCC 1257 and the ex cathedra dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.



I have received another e-mail (with reference to the Cardinal Bernard Law post) and here is the reply.

Praised be Jesus and Our Lady


Best advice I have is to read the section in the Baltimore catechism on Baptism by desire. A Lutheran will not go to hell if he/she follows what she/he feels is the truth to the best of his/her ability...

Lionel: This is modernism which the popes have condemned.
There is the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Church there is no salvation) it has not been retracted or changed. Every Catholic needs to believe in an ex cathedra teaching. Since the popes have defined this dogma ex cathedra it is infallible.
So every Lutheran needs to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

If you still say No then you are saying that dogmas are relative like the ex cathedra teaching on the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady.
You are saying that there is no objective reality at the supernatural level which is fixed and permanent. You could indicate that Hell and mortal sin are relative too.

If you believe this is a teaching of Vatican Council II please note it is your interpretation of the Council text. The Council affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as does the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Please clarify.

157. Q. How many kinds of Baptism are there?


A. There are three kinds of Baptism: Baptism of water, of desire, and of blood.


158. Q. What is Baptism of water?


A. Baptism of water is that which is given by pouring water on the head of the person to be baptized, and saying at the same time, I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.


159. Q. What is Baptism of desire?


A. Baptism of desire is an ardent wish to receive Baptism, and to do all that God has ordained for out salvation.


"Ardent wish" by one who has no opportunity of being baptized-for no one can baptize himself. He must be sorry for his sins and have the desire of receiving the Baptism of water as soon as he can; just as a person in mortal sin and without a priest to absolve him may, when in danger of death, save his soul from Hell by an act of perfect contrition and the firm resolution of going to confession as soon as possible.


Baptism of desire would be useful and necessary if there was no water at hand or no person to baptize; or if the one wishing to be baptized and those about him did not know exactly how Baptism was to be given-which might easily happen in pagan lands. One thing you must especially remember in giving Baptism in case of necessity: namely, that it would not do for one person to pour the water and another to say the words. The same person must do both, or the Baptism will not be valid. If you are called to baptize in case of necessity, be very careful to observe the following points, otherwise the Baptism will not be valid: use clean water and nothing but water-no other liquid would do. Say every one of the exact words: "I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." It would not do to say, "I baptize thee in the name of God"; or, "I baptize thee in the name of the Blessed Trinity"; nor would it do to say simply, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost," without saying, "I baptize thee." Say the words at the same time you pour the water, and be sure the water touches the skin. It would not do to pour the water simply on the hair. You must not sprinkle the water, but pour it upon the head.


When you have followed the above instructions carefully and are sure you have baptized properly, never under any circumstance repeat the Baptism on the same person. It is a sin to try to baptize more than once when you know Baptism can be given only once. The sight of the person dying and the fact that you are called for the first time may cause you to be somewhat excited; but be calm, remember the importance of the Sacrament, and you will administer it as directed. Parents should not baptize their own children in case of necessity, if there is any other person present who can validly do it. Remember those who administer Baptism contract a spiritual relationship with the person they baptize (not with his parents). If they wished, years afterwards, to marry the person they baptized, they must make this relationship known to the priest.


Sponsors are not necessary in private Baptism. A person may be sponsor for a child in Baptism without being present at the Baptism, provided someone else holds the child in his name and answers the questions he himself would answer if he were present. Such a sponsor is said to stand for the child by proxy, and he, and not the one who holds the child, is then the real godparent when, at the request of the parents or priest he has consented to be sponsor.


160. Q. What is Baptism of blood?


A. Baptism of blood is the shedding of one's blood for the faith of Christ.


Baptism of blood, called martyrdom, is received by those who were not baptized with water, but were put to death for their Catholic faith. This takes place even nowadays in pagan countries where the missionaries are trying to convert the poor natives. These pagans have to be instructed before they are baptized. They do everything required of them, let us suppose, and are waiting for the day of Baptism. Those who are being thus instructed are called Catechumens. Someday, while they are attending their instructions, the enemies of religion rush down upon them and put them to death. They do not resist, but willingly suffer death for the sake of the true religion. They are martyrs then and are baptized in their own blood; although, as we said above, blood would not do for an ordinary Baptism even when we could not get water; so that if a person drew blood from his own body and asked to be baptized with it, the Baptism would not be valid. Neither would they be martyrs if put to death not for religion or virtue but for some other reason-say political.


161. Q. Is Baptism of desire or blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water?


A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water.
http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/baltimore/bsacr-b.htm

Lionel: The Baptism of desire and invincible ignorance we refer to as implicit faith i.e. they are exceptions(de jure only) to the Church teaching that every one needs the Baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation (to avoid Hell).Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston said that ‘in certain circumstances’ a person can be saved with implicit faith.


So there can be certain circumstances;rare cases, known only to God and unknown to you and me, when a person can have a genuine baptism of desire or be in invincible ignorance. So for you and me it is only a concept. We cannot specifically name a person we know who has a genuine baptism of desire only Jesus can judge.


So we accept implicit faith de jure, in principle, as a concept only.


De facto every one needs to enter the Catholic Church, Jesus’ Mystical Body to avoid Hell and there are no exceptions (that we can know of).


If one says there can be de facto exceptions it would also contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, CCC 1257 and the ex cathedra dogma outside the Church there is no salvation.

In Christ
Lionel

Lionel’s E-news for the week April 9-15, 2010

On Holy Saturday we had a cardinal who in public came just one step away from directly endorsing the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.His eminence and other cardinals and bishops it his hoped,will in public affirm an infallible teaching so hated by the enemies of the Church.

SUNDAY, APRIL 4, 2010

CARDINAL BERNARD LAW SAYS JEWS NEED BAPTISM TO JOIN THE 'CHOSEN PEOPLE', THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: EASTER VIGIL SERVICE IN ROME http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/04/cardinal-bernard-law-says-jews-need.html#linksSunday

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ONLY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-CATHOLIC MISSION OFFICE TO THE JEWS AND GENTILES

‘…but he that believeth not shall be condemned.’-Mark 16:16

Lionel Andrades, Catholic layman
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