Tuesday, March 16, 2010

LUTHERANS, PROTESTANTS ARE GOING TO HELL SAID ST.TERESA OF AVILA: CARMELITE MEETING YESTERDAY


St. Teresa of Avila said that all Protestants, Lutherans are on the way to Hell was an observation made at a meeting held yesterday at the auditorium of the Church San Martino ai Monti, Rome. It was the second monthly meeting on the Interior Castle of St. Teresa of Avila. The talks are given by Fr. Giampiero Molinari, OCD.
We were on the second chapter of St. Teresa’s s Interior Castle where she writes about mortal sin and the need to pray for those who are in this condition of sin.

However the remark about the Protestants, Lutherans came from St. Teresa of Avila’s autobiography, the book of her Life.

A young lady participant observed the contrast with the ecumenism of today and St. Teresa of Avila.

Interestingly there is a lot of Teresian Studies here and abroad and they do not yet show the link between St. Teresa of Avila and Vatican Council II.

Vatican Council II says all non Catholics, need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water to avoid Hell.

all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door…’(Emphasis added).
So Teresa of Avila was correct. All Lutherans needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

Millions of Protestants and non-Christians  in Rome are sadly to be lost to eternal death in Hell according to Vatican Council.Since they are aware of the Church and yet do not enter.

‘Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."…-Vatican Council II
So Vatican Council II is affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus just like St.Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross and all the other Carmelites. Here is the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.).

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.).

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS) http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholiicchurch.blogspot.com/
The dogma does not say that those in invincioble ignorance, with the baptism of destre or with a good conscience do not de facto have to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. The dogma indicates that there are no exceptions. This is Teresian spirituality.

The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus was referred to as ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible’ teaching by Pope Pius XII.

Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it...-Letter of the Holy Office 1949 (Emphasis added).
Pope Pius XII was saying all Jews in Boston, specifically, and other cities like Rome, needed to worship God in the only religion in which God wants all people to be united in. This is also the teaching of Fr. Leonard Feeney, who was not excommunicated for heresy. This was also the teaching of St.Teresa of Avila.

St. Pius XII’s said that ‘in certain circumstances’ a non Catholic with implicit faith (baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc) can be saved.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
So implicit faith was never in conflict with evangelisation and mission, or with the dogmatic teaching that everyone with no exception needs to enter Jesus’ Mystical Body; the Church, to be saved, from Hell. Since we do not know any specific person, who in those rare, 'in certain circumstances' God will judge as having a good conscience, the baptism of desire or being genuinely in invincible ignorance(LG 16).

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.-Lumen Gentium 16,Vatican Council II.
Carmelites Studies needs to see the link between Vatican Council II and St.Teresa of Avila.

14 comments:

Unknown said...

I was raised Catholic and I can tell you that God looks on the heart.I have 2 nuns and a preist for cousins. You must be born again to see the kingdom of God. You are dead to God until then. No work can get you to heaven.I went to Catholic school where the choir director and religion teacher were homosexuals.I am with Catholic people everyday that have no desire for the things of God.They get drunk and go to church Sunday and think they're OK. His Word is not opened to them because their spirits are dead.They have no sdesire for it. Joining a church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than being in a barn makes you a cow.You are leading people to believe a lie. Paul preached Christ and him crucified.No man is infallable.Only God. Only Christ. He is to be worshiped ONLY!Praise His Holy Name.

José Luis said...

@At Jared: How in the world is he leading people to believe a lie? GEEE. He did NOT make any of those things up. This has been the teaching of the Church throughout the centuries. He's quoting the Papal Bulls of several Popes and Doctors of the Church alike. In fact, this is not only what God revealed to St Teresa of Avila but also to many other Saints and Doctors of the Church as well. St Thomas Aquinas, St Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, etc etc. Are you saying that all of them are leading the peoples to believe lies???? That God revealed to them lies??? You might as well stop calling yourself Catholic if you are going to reject the teachings of the Church....

Anonymous said...

Look, this is wrong on so many levels. Protestants and Catholics and Orthodox and non denominationals all believe in the same God. I go to a Lutheran Church yet I do not call myself a Protestant nor do I call myself a Catholic. I am a Christian and God has lead me to that Church and I have found myself closer to God than I have ever felt before. It does not matter what Church you go to because in the end people won't be judged on what Church they are apart of because the true Church is neither the Catholic nor Protestant. She is the body of all believers. At that time most Catholics could not stand that the Pope was losing countrol. I am a Lutheran and many of my best friends are Catholic and I have never had a problem with what they believed because it was under the same God. They have never gave me the same crap you are giving Protestants. how about some scripture. Judge not or you too will be judged matthew 7:1. The only thing that would make any church "right" is our faith in Jesus Christ. I have alwayse defended catholics when protestants would demonize them and I will defend protestants as they are being persecuted by you. And maybe the Catholic leaders saide protestants were going to hell but each pope changed the Church teachings and traditions like bendedict has invited a Lutheran Bishop to Communion. He has a much warmer attitude toward us than you do. You are speaking by your own hatred. And how dare you say that we are going to hell. And if the catholics have alwayse been right than how do you explain the Inquesition? God would never have requested that to happen to His people because news flash, Jesus was not Roman he was Jewish. You have no right to condemn us because you are a mortal and have sin yourself. We are saved by Grace not by which Church we go to. Peter would say the exact same thing. Jesus Himself would say that this is the teachings tought by men. I wish yo peace.

Catholic Mission said...

Look, this is wrong on so many levels. Protestants and Catholics and Orthodox and non denominationals all believe in the same God.
Lionel: Yes but Hell exists.


I go to a Lutheran Church yet I do not call myself a Protestant nor do I call myself a Catholic. I am a Christian and God has lead me to that Church and I have found myself closer to God than I have ever felt before.
Lionel: If you know about thet Catholic Church you have an obligation to enter it.


It does not matter what Church you go to because in the end people won't be judged on what Church they are apart of because the true Church is neither the Catholic nor Protestant.
Lionel: How would you know?


She is the body of all believers.

Lionel: The Bible and the Catholic Church tells us that belief in Jesus is not enough, we have to also live Jesus' teachings.
How can we know Jesus' teaching when there are so many Protestant communities with different doctrines?

Catholic Mission said...


At that time most Catholics could not stand that the Pope was losing countrol. I am a Lutheran and many of my best friends are Catholic and I have never had a problem with what they believed because it was under the same God.

Lionel: We can have friends who are Protestants or Catholics and in Jesus love all. However the truth however difficult must accompany charity at some time.
Hell and the demons exist.

They have never gave me the same crap you are giving Protestants. how about some scripture. Judge not or you too will be judged matthew 7:1. The only thing that would make any church "right" is our faith in on

Lionel: It's you who are judging me. I have just cited the official teaching of the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Catholic Mission said...


At that time most Catholics could not stand that the Pope was losing countrol. I am a Lutheran and many of my best friends are Catholic and I have never had a problem with what they believed because it was under the same God.

Lionel: We can have friends who are Protestants or Catholics and in Jesus love all. However the truth however difficult must accompany charity at some time.
Hell and the demons exist.

They have never gave me the same crap you are giving Protestants. how about some scripture. Judge not or you too will be judged matthew 7:1. The only thing that would make any church "right" is our faith in on

Lionel: It's you who are judging me. I have just cited the official teaching of the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Anonymous said...

Protestants will also find salvation, if they convert to the Catholic Church before they die. Well, there are exceptions. Those who through no fault of their own knew nothing about the Catholic Church, and had no access to information. Those who committed no mortal sin since their baptism including heresy (if they are found to have no personal culpability in their heresy). And those souls who God grants the grace of perfect contrition in the hour of death.

Catholic Mission said...

Protestants will also find salvation, if they convert to the Catholic Church before they die. Well, there are exceptions. Those who through no fault of their own knew nothing about the Catholic Church, and had no access to information.
Lionel:
If there are any such case it would only be known to God. So it is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.



Those who committed no mortal sin since their baptism including heresy (if they are found to have no personal culpability in their heresy).
Lionel:
This would be known only to God. So it is irrelevant ot Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
You are not inferring that these cases are known to us and so are exceptions?


And those souls who God grants the grace of perfect contrition in the hour of death.

Lionel
Yes it is a possibility, accepted in principle ( de jure) and it is not an exception, it is not known in reality, defacto.
So all Protestants need to convert into the Church for salvation.

11rhymesandreasons said...

@ Jared. Our Lord didn't leave us orphans. He left us a Church, with an infallible teaching office, the magisterium. Don't risk your eternal soul on your own opinions. @Anonymous, you said: "How dare you say that we're going to hell." It is not the blogger's words. It is the Church's words. The Inquisition was a foretaste of the general Judgement.

Anonymous said...

"Yes it is a possibility, accepted in principle ( de jure) and it is not an exception, it is not known in reality, defacto.
So all Protestants need to convert into the Church for salvation."
Agreed. Protestantism is a very dangerous and risky path, upon which salvation is a theoretical long shot.

Caleb Taylor said...

Catholic Mission said:

>How can we know Jesus' teaching when there are so many Protestant communities with different doctrines?

Answer: Well, we nee to start by looking at how much the doctrines of the Catholic Church line up with the teachings of Jesus, and the point is that they don't:

Where did Jesus teach that the we are saved by the sacraments, or by joining an organisation, or that we should pray to the saints, or that His Church would be infalible? - Remember, such teachings need to be affirmed by at least two or three witnesses in scripture so that we are clear that it was an important point that Christ was making...

Catholic Mission said...

Answer: Well, we nee to start by looking at how much the doctrines of the Catholic Church line up with the teachings of Jesus, and the point is that they don't.

Lionel:
Jesus founded one Church with set teachings.Among them was that all need the baptism of water for salvation in the community/ church which he initiated.The people of that time needed to beleive in him in that particular community.
The Bible and the Church Fathers tell us that the Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Jesus.
Jesus tells us in the Bible that he who does not beleive will be condemned.
So we know that the Catholic Church with its Sacraments and doctrines is the only Church which Jesus founded and outside this Church there is no salvation.
It is guided by the Holy Spirit.
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Where did Jesus teach that the we are saved by the sacraments, or by joining an organisation, or that we should pray to the saints, or that His Church would be infalible?
Lionel:
It was taught by the Holy Spirit in the only Church which Jesus founded.It has a continuity with popes and unity in doctrine and Tradition.
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- Remember, such teachings need to be affirmed by at least two or three witnesses in scripture so that we are clear that it was an important point that Christ was making...

Lionel:
We have Sacred Tradition.It is confirmed by the Apostles, the Church Fathers and the Tradition which followed it.
They have been consistent.
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Protestantism is not a path to salvation is the teaching of the Catholic Church before the Marchetti error in 1949 came into the Body of Christ.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441) tells us Protestants are on the way to the fires of Hell. This was also the teaching of the Catholic saints including the Carmelites.
It was confirmed in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) which repeats the same message. All need Catholic Faith with the baptism of water for salvation and there are no exceptions.
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Swan said...

My late mother became a "relationship addict," after my father died and lived in sin with a charming, despicable bad boy for the rest of her life. She suffered a stroke and was paralyzed. Fortunately, I placed her in a nursing home that had a daily rosary with a homemade shrine to the Blessed Mother with a picture of Pope John Paul, II. Every day, the aides would wheel her to the rosary and in that condition she was receptive and reverant. Whenever I get angry and start hating her, I try to remember her in that setting. She made shipwreak of her faith, but there is a Purgatory. The Protestants worship a fake Jesus, the Orthodox allow divorce. Leave whats wrong in the Catholic Church and you leave the Deposit of Faith.

Andromeda Organa said...

My grandpa died a Lutheran. The horror on his face when he passed was terrifying. And he thought hr was a Christian!

I hate protestants